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thebruce
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 		Re: What About "Bill"...?
jlr1001 wrote:
According to the only description of Bill, he looks a lot like the guy who chased Anna and Mike, and who (we just saw) killed Mike...If Bill is a terminator, then we need to ask who sent him? The resistance? Skynet?...If Skynet sent him, then can we trust the fact that he delivered the NY camera to us? On the other hand, if Tech-Comm sent him--meaning he's a reprogrammed terminator--then what was his purpose when he first appeared to Anna and Mike? Also, what would that imply about him killing Mike?


You touched on an interesting point I hadn't considered... Was the figure chasing Anna actually hostile?

Here's the thing... this is what we know about the hooded figure:
1) (Bill, friend?) He was described and named by Zoltan and named by Lily in NY
2) (Cromartie, foe?) He appears in SCC episode 2-3 as a disguised Cromartie with no skin.
3) (Unknown, friend/foe?) He was a mysterious figure that chased Anna and Mike while filming (he didn't smash the window, but rather tried to open the door)
4) (Unknown, foe?) We assume the shadowy figure that killed Mike is the same individual, though we can't truly determine if the appearances matches the other instances to a T (pun!)

so... is Bill friend or foe? Are each of these Bill? Is Bill Cromartie? Is Bill a reprogrammed Terminator? Are there more than one individual with similar appearances?
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 		[SPEC] Bill
I think it's safe enough to assume that Mike's Killer, as we've come to know him, is not a friend. I think it's also safe enough to assume that the OOG reason to make sure his eyes were glowing again was to make sure we realized this was the same person. From an OOG perspective, it's hard to believe that two different terminators are chasing these guys, dressed relatively the same.

BACK TO IN GAME.

Something I'm working on with the e-mails right now is determining how it is that the attacker got in without force. It was the first thing they said to me in the e-mail, was that they needed to figure that out. Any ideas?

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 		I think if you go back and watch Mike's snuff film again, you'll see that the attacker DOESN'T have glowing eyes, or at least we don't see glowing eyes. The red glow we do see is presumably a laser sight on the gun.
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 		Well slap me with a [trout]. Sorry about that, I could swear that the eyes were present within that video.

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Punchline wrote:
Well slap me with a [trout]. Sorry about that, I could swear that the eyes were present within that video.

You're not alone - originally I thought I saw glowing eyes too until I went back and watched it again.

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jlr1001
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MrToasty wrote:
we still don't know if the whole Bill/Zoltan thing was truly an IG occurrence or if Zoltan is just role playing on his own


Oh, I think we can assume it's (now) in-game, simply for the fact that the PMs brought it in...

Yes, they had to let us know about Zoltan having the NY camera, but if Z is a player with an overactive imagination, the PMs didn't have to quote his entire story. All they had to do was inform us that the NY camera was recovered, and at some later date simply show us the pictures in question...

Also, the NY drop was--how should I say?--the one not like any of the others... Not only for the circumstance of how the camera reached its final destination, but also because it wasn't a buried/hidden cache... All we needed to do was go to the location, ask for the package, and have it handed to us...

All in all, it seems to smack of an in-game occurence...

Punchline wrote:
I think it's safe enough to assume that Mike's Killer, as we've come to know him, is not a friend.


One of the points I was trying to raise about Bill was that we can't necessarily call him a foe... Assuming that it was the same character that killed Mike, then we have to ask questions about Mike's culpability...

Point 1: If Bill is a reprogrammed terminator, which seems to be borne out by the fact that it was after Zoltan received the camera that we got the, "notify enitech", missive. This would seem to align Bill w/ the resistance..

Point 2: (again assuming that Mike was offed by Bill) Mike was present both times that we saw this shadowy figure...

Point 3: Mike seemed very interested in elegant AIs... could it be possible that he would have been integral to bringing Skynet online?

questions, questions....



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 		^^^^
Good points.

BTW, Anna makes mention in the video of Dr. Bentley having placed a folder on the desktop for files to be backed up. Should we be on the lookout for these or a way into an account again?

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jlr1001
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MrToasty wrote:
Anna makes mention in the video of Dr. Bentley having placed a folder on the desktop


Hmm, I must have missed her saying that. At any rate, it sounds like a dangling carrot to me...

Do you mind linking to the video/post where Anna said that?



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jlr1001 wrote:

Hmm, I must have missed her saying that. At any rate, it sounds like a dangling carrot to me...

Do you mind linking to the video/post where Anna said that?

It's actually in the first part of today's video. It took me a few times to make out what she says. If you listen, it's right after Mike waves at the camera and says "I can see you."

Anna - "So Dr. Bentley put a folder on the desktop there to leave(?) all files for backup."
Mike - "OK, yep, I see it."

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 		What if Mike's not really dead?

After the photo in the video, it would be smart to "fake" your own death to continue work on the project without fear of being murdered.

Isn't that something John and Sarah would do? I'm willing to bet that the resistance has already infiltrated Enitech.

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 		I think it more prudent to use the logic that the simplest possible explanation is the most likely....
In that case consider the following.
1) The resistance is trying to assist Enitech.
2) Mikes assassin seemed dressed very similar to the man seen in previous video and such.
3) Mike had an interest in complex AIs.
4) No reports of a terminator other than cromartie being damaged have surfaced

I would draw the following simple conclusions from this info..
1) The assassin is NOT working with the resistance.
2) Mike probably would have been an asset to the resistance, and thus the reason he was eliminated
3) The assassin is probably cromartie due to the full body covering

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 		I'm not sure if anyone will agree... But whenever there is talk of Bill/Cromartie/Zoltan, I keep recalling the surviving resistance member from the second episode. If I remember correctly, he isn't entirely shown in the episode but there is a clip of a man wearing a dark hoodie watching Sarah, John and Cameron with a glimpse of a bar code on his arm.

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 		My last answer back from the feedback site was within five to ten minutes, and a personalized response (see my posts above). Thus far, however, it's been almost twelve hours with no answer. Has anyone heard anything back at this point? I'm sure it's just a matter of waiting but I hope I didn't get outed over something I had to say.

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 		How did the attacker get in the building?
Here's my idea, as simple of an answer as it sounds: maybe the attacker gained entry into the building without using force because it was someone who either worked at Enitech or who works there now. I suppose it's possible that the attacker entered by cracking the key card code, but I'm just going with what seems like the simplest answer to the question... and it spells major trouble for the people currently working at Enitech. The true danger to them may actually be from within.

At the risk of getting blasted by others, Jacob Gustar, anyone?

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jlr1001
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Punchline wrote:
My last answer back from the feedback site was within five to ten minutes... Thus far, however, it's been almost twelve hours with no answer. ... I hope I didn't get outed over something I had to say.


Nah, I sent a message to them yesterday afternoon--partly because of the quick response you received from them. I have yet to hear back. So I don't think you did anything to blacklist yourself...



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