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[SCC] EniTech - the Gardner Project
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Giant Robot
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Be nice to the noob with a suggestion

OK I have been lurking for a while but following TSCC pretty closely with all that has been happening. I will show the triangle thingy to some uber smart engineer friends of mine to see if it has any meaning for them, but I have a suggestion first.

What if we show this to the folks at EniTech? The whole picture I mean. It looks like we are leaning towards this being some kind of diagram of some sort, so let's show it to the rocket scientists in game to see what they tell us. They may not have taken the time to put this all together and view it as a whole. They may just be looking at the devastation of the scenes and ignoring the details.

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ckuchy
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Has anyone done any work with these numbers? Maybe trying to fit them into the diagram or something?

ANTIcarot wrote:
Watching the takebackthefuture video, we are shown a series of numbers in the following order:
6241
2739
1987
1920
1975
7542
0232
1204

Someone else was talking about how Mike's killer was able to get into the Eintech building without force. Could these be lock combinations of some kind?


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KookieB
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Ok in this apparent stand still we are in, I was re-watching the webcam vid with Mike. If you listen closely, when he said "They look like neural network diagrams..." you can hear Anna say, "Is that so? Because to me I thought that..." or something close to that.

I just sent an E-Mail to Enitech asking if they had any theories other than neural network diagrams... we will see, and I will post anything I get on here.

UPDATE:Nevermind, just got this:
Quote:
Actually Ben, I think Mike was right.

UPDATE AGAIN:Not long after the above reply I got the following from Enitech.
Quote:
You know I have to be honest, neural networks are kind of out of our
league. If you feel like you have something working from those
Resist diagrams, you should send it to the Dyson Trust. They can
probably tell you more accurately if it works.


I have forwarded the images of the combined triangles asking what they make of them etc. I will post on here once I get a reply! WOO!

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EnigmaFisk
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the Turk

What was the name of the guy who built the Turk on the show? Maybe we're supposed to look for him. ...

Edited for updates: I see, well, then again maybe we don't have to find him. I'll tell you though ,with the name of the trust and projects they've "forwarded" to the DoD, I'm not sure sending them the neural network was the most future friendly choice. What you gonna do though, eh?

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another thing that just came to mind - I believe the Terminator 4 is being made by the same people behind the tv series, so I think if that's the case, it's safe to assume the series will lead into the movie somehow, or they'll be connected (even if the series arc isn't complete by the movie's release). And if so, then we may very well be playing part of the story that leads to the awareness of Skynet in 2011 - which also means our story here may very well not tie in to the tv show...

that said, it would still be pretty cool... because in that sense, the tv series shows unavoidable events leading to judgement day, and the online self-contained component also shows the unavoidable events leading to judgement day. We may not connect the arg-reality with the tv-reality, but we both share the movie-reality... if that makes sense

but this is all just spec on my part, again Smile
hope the trust gets back to you today kookie!
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KookieB
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Reply from Dysontrust.... I just got this from their site after sending in 2 of our triangle compilations:
Quote:
Thanks for this submission Ben.

Your diagram definitely looks like some kind of neural network... but somehow it seems like it's not quite right. Perhaps there is a a different angle to examine this from?


I replied asking if they had any idea where we might be wrong. I will keep posting as I get info

UPDATE: just received this
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I think you're on the right track, but perhaps this diagram is unique and unlike any we would ordinarily see?


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New post/pic on enitech

BOOM

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MrToasty
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jerry wrote:
New post/pic on enitech

BOOM

Yep, Rift's NORAD picture this time.
http://enitechlabs.com/blog/?p=98

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ckuchy
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[quote="KookieB"]Reply from Dysontrust.... I just got this from their site after sending in 2 of our triangle compilations:
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Thanks for this submission Ben.

Your diagram definitely looks like some kind of neural network... but somehow it seems like it's not quite right. Perhaps there is a a different angle to examine this from?


Now I am just spit-balling here . . . but what if we assume taht all the circles are supposed to be the same size and the smaller circles are smaller because they are father away? That would give us the third dimension to this puzzle . . .

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thebruce
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ckuchy, I was just thinking that... but there's no guide to be exact, so it would be interesting to try to construct...
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Same thought had occurred to me when we were thinking about pyramids. Still need to see what happens to the unconnected lines.

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resistor
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Has anyone considered that we might need to transpose one or more of the triangle images?

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ckuchy
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Another idea

A couple things . . .

First, the curves bother me . . . most diagrams of neural networks I have come across are all straight lines . . . no curves or arcs . . .

I have come across the name of Alan Turning, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

He is hailed as the father of algorithms and AI . . . developed what became known as the Turing Test for testing the a machine's ability to demonstrate intelligence . . .

Just a thought . . .

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Yamato
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after looking at the latest blog post, something came to mind (and I know this has been already stated, just refreshing everyone's mind) :

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The SKYNET project was located well below the surface of Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado; the original home of the North American Defense (NORAD) Command.


this was taken from www.goingfaster.com/term2029/skynet.html

what confuses me is, I expected to see at least some evidence of skynet where the mountain is in the future picture even though the complex is supposed to be underground, like a defense grid, etc, but it looks as if nothing's there. maybe this is after the war ended?

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Rift
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Yeah I found it odd too considering the role NORAD plays in the Terminator series, that of the birthplace of SkyNet. I was expecting something…more. It was the whole reason I snapped the pic in the first place. I doubt its after the war considering it should still be about 3+ years in the future. Most of the stuff from the franchise (including expanded universe novels/comics/etc.) make it seem as though the war goes on for many years. Then again T3 turned SkyNet into software that was all over the internet instead of following what was set in the prior two movies so it didn’t have a central base or at least one that was depicted if one follows the altered timeline of that movie.

Since this is linked to the television series (yet another alternate timeline) maybe SkyNet was built somewhere else. Then again maybe this is so early into the war SkyNet has yet to gather the resources it needs to reinforce the base following the initial nuclear strikes. Endoskeleton production could be a ways off with the initial machines being aerial and ground HKs.

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