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[TheBiggestSean]

[SPEC] Insight to some of the Operator's ramblings...

[Atoner]

The operator fears she has been captured by rebels because it appears to her that she is under attack by a human. Since for the Operator, humans are allies and the Covenant is the enemy, she is mystified as to why Dana keeps trying to delete her.

She wonders why Dana is "young and out of uniform" -- i.e. she is not wearing UNSC clothes and is younger than a regular soldier would be. THe Operator suspects Dana might be a "fifth columnist" because that would explain to her why a human is trying to destroy her -- what human in their right mind in the Halo timeline would try to kill a military AI construct?

Of course, the Operator then dismisses that idea as absurd, and ends up confused but still determined to kill Dana before Dana kills her.

-Atoner-

[cajdarkmoon]

It could possibly be another tie in to bungie. The Seventh Column is their fan community...

[Noir]

Re: [SPEC] Insight to some of the Operator's ramblings...

[Tarrsk]

[Dorkmaster]

I don't know if this is the most appropriate place, or even if this has been discussed yet... But since I know nothing of the HALO storyline, or if this would be possible... so follow me here, and don't add to it... I just want to know if this is trout soup, or just another spec worth checking out as we go:


Ok, since we see that the Operator/Melissa/Queen is bent on inflicting some sort of damage to Dana/Assassin/killer, is it not possible that it's not a simply "Dana tried to remove me from this system, it must be trying to kill me..."-type thing?

Maybe this Melissa/Queen/Operator (we GOTTA come up with a univeral name we're using for future reference, BTW) is, since it's delusional in many ways, actually percieving this as the war or whatever it was crashed from? I mean, it thinks it's behind enemy lines. It blames Dana for the killing of comrades and such... maybe it's really confused and is making more of Dana's attempts to fix things than is really there. Maybe if it really could grasp the true situation it wouldn't be upset at Dana and more than it would be at the Widow/SPDR/Spider for the pain during "reconstruction"...

Whaddy'all think?

(**edit... sorry cuz that was really mind-ramblings there... my point is, what if Queenie here thinks that she's still behind enemy lines... if she really thinks that Dana is responsible for any deaths of soldiers, since she was fixing the site... Does this make sense to anyone but me?)

[AnthraX101]

Dorkmaster, that does appear to be the current theory. I think it's just a simple self preservation reflex. If someone tried to kill you, you would be sure to try and get them first, even if you are on their property.

AnthraX101

[Dorkmaster]

Understood Anthrax, but what I'm thinking is that this is more than that! That this may be a delusion of the queen that goes beyond simple defense reflex. I know it's a "weapon", so it must be geared to think militarily (is that a word?), but I still think it's more.

The phrase that got me thinking along this line is this:

[AnthraX101]

Ah, I see what you're saying. I would interpret the sentance the second way though. I think that the Queen is blaming Dana for overwriting her memories, so she will not get them back. Of course, this is all spec so it's a toss up as to which is correct.

AnthraX101

[Paul_G]

I follow that, but it seems highly unlikely. All of Melissa's ramblings go on about losing memories and pieces of herself. I'm pretty sure she blames Dana for the loss of her memory files that held data about her shipmates, not for their actual deaths.

[Dorkmaster]

Thanks for seeing my viewpoint at least... It's good to get a thought out there, cuz I know I'm not explaining it as well as someone else possibly could!

Since you're the only person listening too, I'm gonna present my only other current spec for you as a sounding board...
(don't want to go too far off topic, though, so just let me know what you think, and we'll be done... I don't need to discuss...)

Ok. My other theory is that this AI seven year time limit thing is being radically changed by Widow here... That the queen/Operator/whatever is gaining longevity by the Widow erasing tidbits here and there, to keep information overload from happening, and therefore extending the useful life of Queenie.

I don't know what that means to the story as a whole, or even how it helps us get anywhere, but I just got that idea, and no one here is talkin, so I crave feedback on it so I can let my brain drop the theory or continue on...

[AnthraX101]

I really don't know anything about that. I played Halo, but that's as far as I got into it. Maybe someone who knows the books could help you out with that one.

AnthraX101

[MrBeanTroll]

To understand the 7 year issue you must know about the differences between Halo and Marathon AI. In Halo, AIs seem to have a limited amount of room, Hard Drive space if you will. In Marathon the AIs exist on planetary networks.

Look at it like this, Halo AI in 7 years thinks itself to death is much like using too many programs on your computer thus running out of RAM. Marathon AIs have almost limitless expansion and therefore live longer, 300+ years in Durandal's case. Now that Cortana can make copies of herself it is very likely that she may go rampant at some point. I believe Melissa may also have had this capability at one time for some reason, she's obviously in the Anger stage now and during Phase 1 was in the Melancholy stage. Up next is Jealousy, but who is there for her to be jealous of in this year?

[hodges]

According to the books, smart AIs were created out of cloned human brains.

Cortana, the AI teamed with the Master Chief in HALO, used a cloned brain of Dr. Halsey, the genius behind the SPARTAN-II Project. I don't remember the exact number, but Dr. Halsey had 20 or so brains cloned. The only one to survive the process became Cortana.

Because Dr. Halsey always like John (aka Spartan-117 or the Master Chief) it is thought that those feelings somehow transfered over to Cortana.

[Noir]