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[PUZZLE?] Page formatting. Take 2.
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DarkStorm
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 		[PUZZLE?] Page formatting. Take 2.
Let me try this again, since my previous topic was locked before I could respond.

I said has anyone checked the page FORMATTING for some sort of message? Not the text on the page, as the reply to my previous topic suggested. I know about the text, thanks. I have been keeping up with this since Friday.

I'm talking about FORMATTING. Not text. To repeat the examples of my previous topic, sometimes pictures will be undistorted but sized wrong, or a button will be out of place. Things like that. NOT THE TEXT.

I know I'm new here, but please don't jump to conclusions that I'm bringing up something that has already been widely discussed, and then lock the topic before I can point out that you're talking about something entirely different from what I was saying.

-DS-

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:10 pm
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madmaxpn
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 		I agree.
Code:

    This is my web page
    mostly dedicated to
    beekeeping. I have
    been beekeeping for
    seven years and I'm
    still learning. I
    have three hives
      and I produce
              and sell pure and
              natural honey (unheated
              and
      unfiltered, unlike
        grocery store
honey.) Click [b]here[/b]
            for more about
            Margaret's Honey.


I can't imagine a WYSIWYG package making text formatting like that, and I can't see why it would be formatted like that by hand. Perhaps someone who has a dialog with Dana could ask?

Max
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Pulling at straws

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:44 pm
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krystyn
I Never Tire of My Own Voice


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Location: Is not Chicago

 		This post mentions that Dana seems to be using Coolpage to generate these pages.

It's possible that this program has a funky way of formatting the source code. I suppose if you had a hankerin', you could locate a copy of this software, and see if it does indeed generate a similar bizarre look to the linebreaks.

That's where I'd start, anyway.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:50 pm
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JMAN 03
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Joined: 28 Jul 2004
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 		puzzles in the source code
This is certainly interesting formatting. It forms a big square in the middle of the source code for hives.html

[<BR>
Each
hive is its own little society. Bee
societies consist of a queen, a small
number of males,
called drones,
and worker
bees.
Worker
bees are all sisters, and all bees are
daughters of the queen. Worker
bees either
tend to
the hive by storing pollen, tending the
queen, making honey or tending to larvae,
or they
go out and forage
for pollen.<BR>]

Also, notice the three places where the word "resist" is replaced by a "reveal" in the following sections of source code from the same page:

[<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade reveal escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist esc -<BR>
</DIV><DIV style="position:absolute; top:304px; left:356px; width:605px; height:605px;">
escape<BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
<BR>
</DIV><DIV style="position:absolute; top:306px; left:356px; width:605px; height:605px;">
escape<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade reveal escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist esc -<BR>
</DIV><DIV style="position:absolute; top:308px; left:356px; width:605px; height:605px;">
escape<BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade reveal escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist escape <BR>
survive evade resist escape survive evade resist esc-<BR>]

This has to be a puzzle somehow.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:44 pm
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Roc
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 		those are quite like the
'on/off' lines. certainly look like a pattern... but ... how?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:05 pm
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quackquack
Greenhorn

Joined: 27 Jul 2004
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 		I'm finding some weird number coincidences that I can't quite piece together yet. For example, the first "reveal" is found in the ninth set of "survive evade resist escape" strings. Then, in the second section where it is single-spaced, both "reveals" are on the 9th line of their respective blocks. The number 35 also keeps coming up... The first reveal is the 35th word in the series, and the last reveal is 35 lines down. These might just be coincidences, i'm not sure..

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:15 pm
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quackquack
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Joined: 27 Jul 2004
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 		Another thought... while the actual pattern might not be apparent in this form, perhaps the words need to be arranged differently or translated into some other form. That could explain why there only seems to be a hint of a pattern here.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:18 pm
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Worker
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 		If you squint, you can see a face!

OOps, sorry. Metacortechs flashback Smile

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:36 pm
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onikidaki
Kilroy

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 		I think that the reason that there are 3 reveals in the text is because the text repeats itself (i know that is obvious, but stick with me here...).

The esthetics of this block of text is div'd to overlap at 2 pixel increments, so to have the 'reveal's line up for each block, you would need to have one in each, at the same place in each div. I think that there are 3 'reveal's for structural reasons, not so that each is a clue.

Regardless, i'm sure that the 'reveal' switch is a clue, i just don't think that the number of them is connected to anything other than necessity.

Smile

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:49 pm
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quackquack
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Joined: 27 Jul 2004
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 		In any case, the reveal is the 35th word in the first section, and the 67th word in the 3rd and 4th sections. The four word "block" that contains "reveal" is the 9th block in the first section, and the 17th block in the 3rd and 4th sections.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:55 pm
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 		Whitespace
Something about the html formating that I don't belive has been brought up before: Some of the line-initial whitespacing uses tabs, and some of it uses spaces. Sometimes (at least in index.html) spaces and tabs are used on the same line.
Eg in index.html, lines 84-86 :
Code:

[3 tabs]have three hives
[2 tabs][10 spaces]and I produce
[4 tabs][2 spaces]and sell pure and

At the very least, this seems to indicate that some bits of the file have been edited separately from the rest.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:00 pm
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b1ind
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Posts: 10

 		I hade being the lurker/devil's advocate, but as hobby php programmer, I might attribute the bizarre space/tab placements to dynamic content generation (maybe some templating). Also, the peculiar way in which the AI's stuff appears would tie into the story in that it is quite simply spewing it out in the only way it knows how and as a result completely breaking all HTML formatting rules.

But I really would love for this to be a new puzzle, prove me wrong!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:34 pm
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JMAN 03
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Joined: 28 Jul 2004
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 		The text that forms a "box" in the center of the source code page for hives.html is very unique though. You don't see formatting like this anywhere else, in any of the other source code pages.

Excerpt from hives.html:

Code:
   traditional Langstroth hives, which are boxes</FONT></p>
      <p align="center"><FONT CLASS=Times-New-Roman-16pxn> .<img src="langshivel.gif" width="2000" height="24"><BR>
(whispers) Spin the Bottle.
            <BR>
            Each
                                          hive is its own little society. Bee
                                          societies consist of a queen, a small
                                          number of males,
                                          called drones,
                                          and worker
                                          bees.
                                          Worker
                                          bees are all sisters, and all bees are
                                          daughters of the queen. Worker
                                          bees either
                                          tend to
                                          the hive by storing pollen, tending the
                                          queen, making honey or tending to larvae,
                                          or they
                                          go out and forage
                                          for pollen.<BR>
          <img src="figure.jpg" name="idElement113Img" id="idElement113Img" width=412 height=312 border=0>          </FONT></p>
    </DIV></TD></TR></TABLE></DIV>


<DIV ID="idElement19" style="position:absolute; top:0px; left:220px; width:7px; height:1760px; z-index: -1;"><IMG SRC="BEE_LOGO.GIF" NAME="idElement19Img" ID="idElement19Img" WIDTH=7 HEIGHT=1760 BORDER=0></DIV>


This has to be significant, don't you think?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:22 am
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ObiFett
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 		Re: Whitespace
Guest wrote:
Something about the html formating that I don't belive has been brought up before: Some of the line-initial whitespacing uses tabs, and some of it uses spaces. Sometimes (at least in index.html) spaces and tabs are used on the same line.
Eg in index.html, lines 84-86 :
Code:

[3 tabs]have three hives
[2 tabs][10 spaces]and I produce
[4 tabs][2 spaces]and sell pure and

At the very least, this seems to indicate that some bits of the file have been edited separately from the rest.



Notice when you add up all the tabs and spaces there it adds up to 21, which is 7x3...good old Bungie and their 7s and 3s....
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:50 am
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apexjr
Kilroy

Joined: 30 Jul 2004
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 		Prime Numbers?
Just taking a quick glance at this I noticed prime numbers.

5 down to 1st reveal
17 down from 1st reveal to 2nd reveal
13 down from 2nd reveal to 3rd reveal

Also, 1, 2, 3 are all prime numbers as well.

Sort of on a semi-side note. I noticed that if you add all of the sylables on the hive-ku poems you get another prime, 61. I thought it was odd that the 1st one was not a real hive-ku since it wasn't 5/7/5 but rather 6/7/5. Since nothing is usually done by accident I figured I would see why the normal prime poem wasn't.

Bee Kissed = 2

Single clover flower. = 6
Kissed by honeybee, it nods, = 7
All agreeably. = 5

-

Busy Hives = 3

Tiger-eye buttons. = 5
Sisters dancing figure-eights, = 7
All together now! = 5

-

Live Jewelry = 4

On my shirt a broach, = 5
Gentle sister do not sting, = 7
Don't you know me now? = 5

Add them all and 61, prime. Don't know how much that helps, or confuses. But thought I would point it out.

-Apexjr

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