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Timestalker
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 		The War Room
Here's where we formulate plans regarding the Queen of Clubs and Delilah.
Swapping information. I understand that it's a tense situation, but we have to remain level.

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Fact: We have been told more than once that Delilah's not part of the Deck.

Conjecture: Multiple mentions display an importance to that beyond the surface one.

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Fact: Delilah has alternate goals than those set by the Queen, or works towards unrest at Her command.

Quote:
A little silence can be a wrecking ball in the right hands - especially
when I am granted more power by your group than I've been given by so
many.

Sewing the seeds of unrest! This tastes so sweet!


Speculation: Delilah is playing ball for the Korp AND the Queen.

Conjecture: We have more power than we're lead on to believe.
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Fact: Delilah has yet to acknowledge or deny that she is a former card.

Quote:
Yes...my position is a bit, unusual. I've enjoyed hearing the
speculation. Your source (Smile) is making a bold statement I only wonder if
he knows what he's getting himself into.


Speculation: It's a red herring, meant to bring about doubt and lead us on false trails.
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So. Now we need to consider our options.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:19 am
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anonymousloli
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 		I'm Delilah's friend. If I get any info from her, I'll post it here from this point on.

Right now I am trying to understand why Jonah was chosen, and which of the Queen's advisors said Jonah should be traded.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:25 am
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Timestalker
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 		Jonah was chosen because of how important he is to US. It's all about control.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:31 am
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Ashra26
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 		My fleshed out theory
Much thanks again to Loli for helping type it up
May be way out there but this was my thought.....


Okay so basically we know that the Queen of Clubs and Delilah have more use for Morcar than the box.

They've stated as much. Plus why would the Queen of Clubs need the box, Edwin can make her a new one...

So..

The Queen of Clubs is the queen of information. Information is knowledge, and knowledge is power, and

power corrupts. Our Queen is corrupted. We think she may want more power, to possibly take control of the

Spades. She stated in her address that she thinks the pursuit of art and love are foolish and that we have

a misguided notion that chaos is nothing more than insanity and weakness. This indicates she sees value

in the Spades.

To take over the Spades she would need information on them. She would need to understand their structure,

and to do so she'd need another Spade. She would need to get her hands on a spade without upsetting the

Deck and so she would have to have one be cast out by his own suit. She stated that Morcar was no longer

in the Spades jurisdiction since he crossed the line and betrayed the Deck. This allows her to take

control of him.

So my theory is this.. because she had Edwin performing experiments on Morcar all these years, she knows

he is easily manipulated, the weak link. She has Delilah perhaps, make a deal with the Korp in the very

beginning...You lure away Morcar to betray the Deck, I will give you my servant Jonah. We know that the

Korp has more value for Jonah than Morcar. This is plausible since she rules Jonah's suit. She could

easily arrange his silencing in preparation for turning him over as a "trade" for Morcar later. She could

conceivably convince the Aces that this is all Jonah's fault and ours and that we are responsible for

leading them astray. They'd not argue with her when she requested the Silencing.

So the Men in Suits seduce Morcar with money and attention, and he betrays the Deck. Somehow he ends up

in Berlin. The Korp could have taken him there or even Delilah and her "consort" I find it odd they were

already so close to Morcar when Edwin called for help. The consort was described as a huge man, which

could have easily moved a man sized box with a man inside. Perhaps they did not expect Edwin to get in

touch with the Passengers and try to save his brother.

To keep the ruse going, Delilah and the consort distract Edwin in the lobby long enough for the Korp to

slip in and get him. Remember, for this to go down and not have interference from the Aces they have to

believe that Morcar betrayed them and that the Korp wanted the box. So they take both and splash it all

over their page that they have Morcar and the box but that Morcar can be negotiated for. While the Aces

try to get him back, the Queen is finishing her own deal behind the scenes. She "punishes" Jonah and the

passengers and silences him. Delilah takes him. A "transaction" is reached and Jonah is handed over to

the Korp in return for MOrcar.

Therefore, this could be an elaborate conspiracy and plan by the Queen to begin a takeover of the Spades

without upsetting the deck by arranging a deal with the Korp to make it seem like they wanted Morcar and

the box. They obviously want Jonah much more than Morcar, but would not point that out to us. They tried

to make it seem that this was all about the box, but really, Edwin could easily make a new one.

So she sets it up that Morcar would betray the deck to the Korporation, meaning the Spades no longer want

him so she can punish him any way she sees fit, such as using him to gain the info she wants. But to do

so, she'd have to propose a deal with Korp, whom currently has Morcar, to switch him for Jonah.

That way, both sides get exactly what they want. And the Aces are not as inclined to restrict her actions

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WhyWouldIStop
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 		That's all very intricate and I like the idea. It makes sense.

But I was thinking... Dom said that the Korp was practically begging for us to make a deal with them. And well, this whole time it's been pretty apparent that the Queen is supposed to rule over us. We've been disowning the Queen but we haven't really overthrown her. Couldn't we trade her to the Korp for Morcar? I mean we are her subjects, we can overthrow her, she is important so the Korp probably has use for her. Besides, it seems to me she'd make for a good employee. =P

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:51 am
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eranmane
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 		We're going to have to trade Edwin's Journal at some time. That would be of great value...

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:32 am
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teh_lisa
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 		Excuse my ignorance, but how are we supposed to make a deal with Korp when we can't get them to even answer us.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:50 pm
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unVoice
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 		I don't think they're going to respond to anything they if they find it pointless.
Have we offered them anything yet?
I suppose if we've offered them something and it haven't gotten a response, we weren't offering anything they wanted.

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Psyche Atun
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 		-Ok. I have a contact, who wishes to remain anonymous, that spent some time talking with Delilah, trying to bait her into giving out some information. My contact, who I'll call "Hermes", spoke with Domenic about what had been found, and he told Hermes to release this bit of info, which seems to be one of the only bits of truth in the entire exchange.

Quote:
> The Queen has angered many. If you wish to unseat her, Morcar holds the
> key. He knows of her plans and intended to sell that information to the
> Korp along with the Box. She would eliminate the Aces. Morcar was
> working very closely with me, setting up the details.
>
>
> Delilah.


I'll keep things updated as Hermes passes info to me.-

PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:24 pm
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Psyche Atun
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 		-Got another email from Hermes.

Quote:
http://www.silverladder.com/communicate.htm

Toward the bottom it asks "art, information, chaos, or love". Most people probably gave an answer. Do you think it would be a good idea to separate into teams? A mini version of the deck. Not that people wouldn't be capable in the other areas. But we would know who to call on when something needed to be done. It wouldn't pertain to the regular puzzle weeks.

Art - raise questions, communicate
Information - those good at gathering information, spies
Chaos - Run interference when a stall is needed
Love - Keep the passengers from exploding against each other, also communication


I know it's a different approach, but it might help keep things a little more organized.-

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Psyche Atun
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 		-An additional tidbit from Hermes.

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One thing you might want to mention is it would cut down the possibility of a chat fiasco if there is a set group of people who chat in certain (Queen-like) circumstances.


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mgelles
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 		my own opinion is that pigeonholing people for the duration of the game is not a good idea because people are often good at any number of things and on any given week could have insight to a puzzle, a tidbit of info to share. not that we don't need acertain amount of organization but better that it be done on a task by task basis. The greatest need for organiztion or assignment is greatest when we interact with each other. the current letter to the queen is the perfect example. Volunteers have come forward to write the draft. this doesn't mean that these folks can't take suggestion from the rest of us but that any direct communication. live chats-depending on the nature and purpose of the chat, choose spokespeople on a perchat basis and pm one of these folks and have the message passed along. I think choosing one set of people to speak at every chat might actually be a disservice. i have noticed certain characters have taken to certain passangers at times and we've been able to take advantage of that. I agree that some order is perferable to chaos but not one so rigid that it precludes a passanger from contributing all or she might. Doublecross' post do a really good job of dilineating tasks for a given week. if we each focused on a task on a week by week bais it would allow for freedom and variety for the passangers as well as enough order to prevent disaster. planning is key as is communication. I don't really believe anyone intends to mess up anyone else's plan, the key is to let each other know what's going and if someone has been selected as envoy to the Queen of clubs respect that but it sholdn't mean that these same people should always get to speak on behalf the group. it's too stiff a penalty to say that those who said something unwise in one chat just shouldn't speak and that only those "worthy" should do so, so that the rest of us don't "screw up" the game is not in the best of spirits.

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Psyche Atun
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 		-I think perhaps you're misunderstanding what Hermes is trying to say. The idea isn't to pigeonhole people. Think of it as establishing task forces during the Queen/Delilah issue. It's not something that will affect the puzzles or other aspects of SL.

The chat suggestion seems to mean that representatives of the different groups bring their info and ideas to the table as a cohesive team, not that there should be only a few people allowed to say anything in chat.

I'll ask if Hermes can find a way to explain the idea better.-

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Psyche Atun
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 		-Hermes reply:

Quote:
I saw a post by mgelles on unfiction. It's weird. Such an emotional response to a problem of logistics. No one said anything about people not being able to participate in more than one "suit". No one said anything about people not having more than one talent. Very negative. I always think it's better to try to suggest a positive alternative. Or say "these are the problems I see how can we solve them". After all, I don't think any one of us cares about credit or glory in any of this. Just get it done and make it work.


And in a separate email:

Quote:
Domenic said he tried to get something like this going but they shot him down.


As I said, this isn't something to pigeonhole people.-

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Psyche Atun
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 		-And another from Hermes:

Quote:
Here's another quote from Delilah if it helps. she said something similar to most of the passengers who contacted her.

"You're smart not to have strong ties to the passengers. They move too
slowly, don't communicate effectively, and don't control their ranks. To
soft in the belly. Just waiting to be bitten..."


We need a unified front across the board, not just in the letter to the Aces.-

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