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Jubilus
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June 14, 2007
OGALA In the middle of the night these sounds of knocking woke me up and I was startled since the spot i picked to rest was so remote, but these (unintelligible) knocked on my door and just said hello and wondered if I could spare some water, and I said sure, come in. they sure scared the shout out of the kids, who muttered about their knives but listened rapturously as the group of men on horseback crossing the road, avoiding the tar, the concrete, the steel and the war, told us of their search north for a place beyond this and the kids wondered if they wanted to come along and the men laughed and told the boys to stay in their box for now, that life outside of this was in their future but not near future. it will happen they said as they left.


This ties them to the Sacred Hat. Perhaps Tooman was in that group.

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rkj wrote:
Balistic missiles are very different from cruise missiles, they need to go up and down performing a full parabole. Missiles from central north america couldn't hit the west coast; may be the east coast, but not sure if it could.

Only cruise missiles(these could be fired from one coast to another) or tactical nukes (close range warheads) can be fired from the US/Canada and hit US/Canada.


Shows what I know Smile What about warheads launched form ships or subs that might be part of the conspiracy? Less likely, I think, though, unless Ravenwood had their paws on them.

I need to watch the Season 2 trailers. It'll be interesting to see if we get any more outside country information or if all the US's allies are going "Ummm.. we'll be over here..."

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bgingras wrote:
trailers for season 2 indicate that the US nuked N.Korea and Iran in "retaliation" for the attack. I suspect that we launched against NK, Iran and ourselves all in one shot resulting in the EMP and the air bursts. It much easier to explain that the missiles were outbound if there was an actual target...it's a bit harder to prove how many hit where when the entire country is wiped off the map. You could launch 20 of them, only 15 hit NK and Iran the other 5 hit the US, but who's to know?


The safegaurds for launching any nuke are so tough and so co-dependant on one another that someone in the military should know.

What I mean is, lets say for the sake of argument that someone entered to targets into some of the missles and these targets included cities in the CONUS, without anyone knowing it. The missles are than fired.
Those missles are tracked in so many different areas, FLorida, Canada, Colorado, Nebraska, just to namea few. Someone would have had to see them hitting American cities. There would be so many eyes on them that I can't see how you could make all these folks part of the conspiracy. Many, many people would see the tracks of those ICBM's and realized, in horror, that something was up.

My thought is similar with a few changes.
On the J&R site under "Shipbuilding" they mention J&R building a brand new Class of Destroyers called the "Zumwait" These are real destroyers under development.
Now, the site also states that they come armed with 20 sea launched nukes.
Now what if they had one of them positioned in the Pacific secretly and THEY launched on the US? It would be easier to set up NK because it comes from that general area. Those missles cause the EMP and those missles hit the US Cities. NORAD and the military believes that its the NK's and the Iranians and retaliates destroying both.

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 		So its possible, then, that Ravenwood had a backup plan in case something happened to foil their ground based nukes.

Which would explain the missiles flying overhead, and would also mean that Ohio did end up getting nuked, even though Hawkins didn't do it.

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GenPatton I am going to guess that the airbursts are a mistake/miscommunication.


It's completely intentional.

Propaganda.

We know the bombs were delivered by truck by the rogue military group. If they wanted to seize power, they would have had to have an enemy already cooked up and fabricated evidence to go along with it.

We knew when we saw the ICBMs go up that we attacked another country in "retaliation".

I agree with bdingras. I think Cheyenne detonated a few of the warheads to set off the EMP. That would have shut down any civilian groups trying to reorganize a government when the power grid and communications were restored. That left the military and J&R without any competition.

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GenPatton43 wrote:
The safegaurds for launching any nuke are so tough and so co-dependant on one another that someone in the military should know.

What I mean is, lets say for the sake of argument that someone entered to targets into some of the missles and these targets included cities in the CONUS, without anyone knowing it. The missles are than fired.
Those missles are tracked in so many different areas, FLorida, Canada, Colorado, Nebraska, just to namea few. Someone would have had to see them hitting American cities. There would be so many eyes on them that I can't see how you could make all these folks part of the conspiracy. Many, many people would see the tracks of those ICBM's and realized, in horror, that something was up.

My thought is similar with a few changes.
On the J&R site under "Shipbuilding" they mention J&R building a brand new Class of Destroyers called the "Zumwait" These are real destroyers under development.
Now, the site also states that they come armed with 20 sea launched nukes.


I just thought we saw in the episode one of the missiles detonating. Not that it couldn't have been another one, or an interceptor, or a ship launched EMP weapon. They did build several nukes, so it's possible they built another one to launch the EMP.

Jericho is all about the gigantic conspiracy. This was planned out in advance. The EMP went off as soon as the power and communications were restored.

J&R is now essentially running Cheyenne. I just figured that they would have used one of the missiles from the US stockpile.

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 		I have created a file you can import into Google earth to see Wayne's travels across the plains. He likes the scenic route... hehe

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Dunia wrote:
GenPatton43 wrote:
The safegaurds for launching any nuke are so tough and so co-dependant on one another that someone in the military should know.

What I mean is, lets say for the sake of argument that someone entered to targets into some of the missles and these targets included cities in the CONUS, without anyone knowing it. The missles are than fired.
Those missles are tracked in so many different areas, FLorida, Canada, Colorado, Nebraska, just to namea few. Someone would have had to see them hitting American cities. There would be so many eyes on them that I can't see how you could make all these folks part of the conspiracy. Many, many people would see the tracks of those ICBM's and realized, in horror, that something was up.

My thought is similar with a few changes.
On the J&R site under "Shipbuilding" they mention J&R building a brand new Class of Destroyers called the "Zumwait" These are real destroyers under development.
Now, the site also states that they come armed with 20 sea launched nukes.


I just thought we saw in the episode one of the missiles detonating. Not that it couldn't have been another one, or an interceptor, or a ship launched EMP weapon. They did build several nukes, so it's possible they built another one to launch the EMP.

Jericho is all about the gigantic conspiracy. This was planned out in advance. The EMP went off as soon as the power and communications were restored.

J&R is now essentially running Cheyenne. I just figured that they would have used one of the missiles from the US stockpile.


Don't get me wrong, its still a possibilty for the show. Awhile back I did some research on an idea I had. I was a full believer that the ICBM's hit inside the country. Carol Barbee did say that the missles we saw were NOT what caused the emp.
There used to be a map of Jericho on the CBS site before they updated the website. it showed all of the relevant buildings and structures in town. it also had a direction compass. Now, what I did was to place myself where everyone was when they saw the ICBM's being launched which was almost in the center of town. They were looking north and the missles were moving from left to right. Which, obviously, means they're going east. If you attack NK or Iran, you don't fire them east, its too long and allows for too much warning. In reality, they'd be fired north, over the north pole. This cuts down the range and the flight time of the missles. You certainly do not fire them east.
I kinda thought that perhaps it was a "Mop Up" strike to hit cities like Columbus and NYC since they were not hit in the initial attacks. But we know now that both survived, so I'm not sure.

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 		Maybe I missed this on the site somewhere - where's he getting all the gas to fuel a _motorhome_ anyway? O.o

And, for our military guys - I'm hopelessly naive about this, how common are EMPs in weaponry? Where might it have come from? And, do you suppose the ICBMs we saw in Jericho were duds, with the EMP being a distraction? Though, an EMP - what better way to march in as a hero, restoring electricity to the disabled towns. Disgusting, really, but a very decent plan if the people in Cheyenne (Valente) are responsible. (Also, I seem to be reading that EMPs dont' have a very far reaching range o.o Perhaps just a plot flaw?)

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 		EMP's
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Maybe I missed this on the site somewhere - where's he getting all the gas to fuel a _motorhome_ anyway? O.o

And, for our military guys - I'm hopelessly naive about this, how common are EMPs in weaponry? Where might it have come from? And, do you suppose the ICBMs we saw in Jericho were duds, with the EMP being a distraction? Though, an EMP - what better way to march in as a hero, restoring electricity to the disabled towns. Disgusting, really, but a very decent plan if the people in Cheyenne (Valente) are responsible. (Also, I seem to be reading that EMPs dont' have a very far reaching range o.o Perhaps just a plot flaw?)


EMP is somewhat common today. they don't have to be nukes that cause them. For instance, we dropped EMP bombs on Baghdad prior to the invasion in order to disrupt their communications. These were 100% conventional and with these being conventional, their damage was resticted to just certain areas of Baghdad. They were far too small to have been able to cause the damage seen in Jericho, so the ones in Jericho had to be a nuke. Checkout the follwing link, it discusses an operation that the US military did in the 1950's called "Starfish Prime".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

StarfishPrime was a high altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon high in the atmosphere. It was detonated over the Pacific but its damage spread thousands of miles to Hawaii wwhere it blew out circuits and caused a black out. The writers have repeatedly mentioned using this as a basis for what happened in jericho. In short, the EMP seen in Jericho HAD to have been a nuke for the damage to have been as severe as it was.
Now, most people would think that they could be mounted on an ICBM just like a normal nuke and they can. But what I have been wondering is
if J&R might have placed one on a Satellite that was in orbit at that time.
Since they have the only real communication system left in the US, that adds weight to that theory since they would know when to shut down or move there own sats out of the damage area.

As far as the missles we saw, Carol Barbee did mention numerous times that they DID hit their intended targets but they were NOT what caused the EMP. We also know that N. Korea and another country, presumebly Iran, were attacked. The ICBM's figure into this equation also.

And one other thing regarding about the possibility of a Satellite carrying the device is that in Ep18 AKA, Hawkins went to a meeting with Sarah and Valente to discuss the plot and the terrorists. He said it was a CIA "Front Company" uised to disguise the meeting. The name of the buisness was Higgins Satellite.

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 		List of US Ex- and Current ICBM bases
Maps are included
Just check out the following link, it has detailed maps of all of the major bases we're seeing on REDEYE as well as the layout of the missle fields.

Francis E. Warren AFB is the base right outside of Cheyenne Wyoming.

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/missileaway/

It also has some sites that used to hold ICBM's but no longer do such as Whiteman AFB in Mssouri.

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 		You're so helpful, Patton Smile

Also, it look sliek Wayne is in Montana now. Wonder where he's headed?

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