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mortality
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 		Thanks, Luke. I hope you didn't take that as a rebuke.

Emails from Ethan. I sent him the info from Jade about Heather and Apt. 1705. I also emailed him the thoughts I posted about MSG5.

Ethan wrote:
Re: MSG5
Dear Mort,

If this Slider is good at solving crazy puzzles, I doubt it would hurt to let him know about the 0701 stuff. If you are still thinking that the two cases are somehow related, though, you know what I, personally, think about that. But, in the spirit of objectivity, probably no harm in seeing if he notices some kind of connection.

Very interesting point on the other letters in MSG5. Could Dei Obligati also mean "Obligated TO God"? I'll have to brush off my Latin. What about the Funs? Checked my dictionary and I see that Funis can mean rope and funus can mean funeral. Interesting, but of course the letters don't fit. I guess that's something you all have to be cautious of all the time, huh, making things fit that simply don't.

Regards,
Ethan

Re: Appendix to MSG5 [ed. I sent him an update with badaim's suggestions]

Mort,

That's very interesting. I mean the interpretation that says "ending God's bindings". That seems like a really loose interpretation, but it could be related in light of the Demon/Djinn angle that some people have thrown around.

What's the role of the lines around some of the letters in this interpretation. Do you think they might be a red herring?

Ethan


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me wrote:
We weren't so much wondering about whether 0701 is connected to 0702. It was more that he seems to be somewhat acquainted with, I guess, what we could call the subjects of esoterica, occultism and magic. 0701 seems to touch on those subjects. He offered his help. Maybe he can lend a fresh perspective. As long as you see no harm in letting him know about those documents, then we'll consider accepting his counsel.

Obligati is the plural form of obligatto. It's a descriptive plural noun, so it could mean "those who are obligated to God." Funs would've been English. A fun is an English noun for "an amusement." Funs plural would be "amusements." Doesn't fit because of the language switch. But you saw our subsequent speculation when we switched from Dei to Deus.

One more interpretation I didn't mention in either email, Deus Obligati Fin could also mean "the boundary of God's bindings."

We have not figured out how those lines relate. Or how any of this ties to a Pentagon. One possibility for the lines is that the square goes in the center and then the "Els" can be placed one to a side producing a four-pointed star with "L" in the center and F-I-T-O inside the points. FITO is a prefix for 10^-24. L could be the Roman numeral 50. Still working it all out.

We also came up with some more speculation for MSG3-5. We have two possibilities. We've been looking into the Occult aspects a little more than the Masonic aspects lately, because the Mason angle came up dry.

There are three famous Occultists that keep popping up: Aleister Crowley, MacGregor Mathers, and Austin Osman Spare. They don't all seem to fit...Crowley and Mathers were both interested in Freemasonry. Spare was more interested in Chaos magic and Rosicrucianism/Hermeticism. Two other names that make more sense with Crowley/Maters are Eliphas Levi and Papus.

We're thinking that it's possible that three of them might be the names we need to put in MSG3, and then each one would subsequently be related to MSG4 and 5, and probably a future MSG6. We haven't found evidence indicating that they are tied to a 4-, 5-, or 6-sided figure yet. Nor have we found how they could relate to Luke's punishment theme.

Spare is noteworthy on his own for MSG3 because he had a drawing that could relate to the Triangle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kiaism-Diagram.gif

You had mentioned that maybe the three names relate to "things." In that case, we could be looking at "will" "conceptuality" and "imaginability." It's possible to make a case that Enlil, as a god, matches with "imaginability," W. Wallace with "will," both his name and the fact that he died for a cause, and Ahasuerus with "conceptuality" because as the Wandering Jew he is tied to immortality and blasphemy, as the king he is tied to wisdom. No idea how this would apply to MSG4 and 5, or to the Solomon stuff.

Both are still stretches at this point. Working out the details. Wondering if you have any thoughts.

-Mort

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 		Watch out Spearmint, Jade's comming for you.
wow, check out the new comments at whitechapel

http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=19#comment-161

Consistency is King wrote:

Comment by Consistency is King | 2008/02/11 at 15:09:17

Hey Spearmint, the least you could do is keep the dates on your pages consistent. Sheesh.

jademacalla wrote:

Comment by jademacalla | 2008/02/11 at 22:10:35

Hey there, Spearmint, we haven't been introduced, but I've been following you unique brand of bull$&!# for a while now and am truly dazzled by your stupidity. You see, I was strolling down a path into the shadows the other night, pursuing worthy goals, when there, in a particularly dark patch, I saw this: http://autumncountry.deviantart.com/art/Raadella-29174823

Imagine my surprise. Since I am confident that I know a hell of a lot more about this than you do, why don't you drop me a line and I'll tell you all about it. And since it appears you may not be familiar with modern technology, I'll make it easy: jademacalla at gmail dot com (make the "at" an @ and the "dot" a .)


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 		the kicker
email from Jade
What I sent Jade:

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Hey Jade,

Oo, I'm famous! Smile Okay, maybe not, but thanks for the shout-out just the same. Y'know it's funny, the last time I was at IKEA I saw they had added a cafe, and I almost got coffee but didn't. Now to figure out which corner of my place is just crying out for a little piece of cheap Swedish something to justify the hassle of going...

As to RN, I'm not sure I know what you mean by disinformation. Do you think they're just making stuff up? I have no idea why they'd be targeting us specifically, and for that matter I guess it's possible we're not the only minds they're messing with. Feh. :/

P


His reply:

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Yo, where you at, lady! (Of course, this is an assumption on my part. I realize that you could be a 19 year old guy who hates coffee in real life, but I choose to go with the persona Wink )

I should probably qualify; I love their coffee, but it may be only because it reminds me very much of the go-juice I get in Finland. Happy thoughts, you know. But I'll stand by it at least being passable to a real connoisseur.

Oh, I think they are targeting us, or at least me, specifically. I'm hoping they are merry pranksters, because if they aren't they are the all out stupidest goofballs I've run into in a long time.

Does this look familiar: http://autumncountry.deviantart.com/art/Raadella-29174823

It's from one of my own websites, the purpose of which is to promote my friend David's Autumn Country stories. Autumn Country is a frame world in which David has written a bunch of stories that are patently fictional (I know this because I have had a hand in helping to create some of them).

I have to tell you, Petunia Aye Aye, I cannot for the life of me figure out what these cats are up to. They have to have made up that story on their "thelist" page. But it is obviously based on a snippet from Autumn Country. I know you and your crew are usually into games. Do you think it's possible that this whole RN thing is just a different game that is ripping off Dave's stuff? Could they be trying to draw you guys into a game or story that they are producing? But they'd have to assume that I would see this stuff, which means they are totally bonkers, right?

It's just bizarre.

Since they obviously got Raadella from me, I wanted to ask you if anyone in your group has something going on with the Cowboy Junkies. Great band and all, but I checked with Dave and there is no reference to it in AC. I was thinking maybe that is a reference to one of you guys.

It's a good thing I dig it when crazy stuff happens, otherwise I think I'd be a little pissed off. Very Happy

More soon,
Jade

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My Dear Luke,

But how on earth is the lovely Laura? (Ah, but I date myself) (guffaw)

Gracious me, am I to be treated to an impromptu block party? Will all the beautiful people be bringing those tiny little kegs to my butler's pantry door? Please give me a moment whilst I phone up dear friend Colin Cowie and demand that he begin making arrangements.

But on to more pressing, and certainly more annoying, business. Didn't I tell you? Well, not you Luke, actually, but didn't I say young Phillip likes his little puzzles. As you so astutely point out, it appears this was meant for me. I hope that you and yours can at least take comfort in knowing that young master Phillip is not directing this silliness to you. I begin to think that maybe, just maybe, young Phillip was ever so slightly more aware of the world than we've given him credit for. Actually, I suppose not, since one must assume that he had some thought, at least, that I would attempt to unravel his riddle in the first place, which I would not have done.

But you, or one of your tribe, IS trying to unravel it, aren't you? And here we have one mystery slamming head first into another. And I fear that I must confess that I have no inkling what that rot is supposed to mean. All I can say is that it is chock full o' young Phillip's favorite symbols, and that, at least, makes perfect sense. But I'm sure you already picked up on that, so I shalln't bore you.

The only other thing that I can make an educated guess about is that the damsel you mention below was likely named Heather. Oft have we seen young Phillip attempt to beguile the fairer sex with personalized nonsense. To the fairer sex's eternal credit, never have I seen the lad get anywhere with this tripe.

I do wish I could be of more use to you, because at this point one does begin to wonder just what the young master is up to. I suppose this was the rascal's intent, blast him. (grin)

QS


So we know he watches soaps. I'm just glad he stayed away from the Star Wars joke. It also looks like he still has no idea why we're interested in Philly. Has no one told him yet? I could be way off base here, but I think he knows more about this particular one than he's saying, and if we explain our motives, more information might come out of him. As I've said, no need to bring Whitechapel into it. We can mention Scarpelli without dragging their names in; in fact, we can leave the Scarpelli name out of it as well.

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 		Luke, congratulations on being the second person Slider decided to communicate with, at all, regardless of opacity.

Badaim did not tell him our real interest in Philly. Badaim said that he and some likeminded individuals, not really a group, were interested in the occult, caught wind of a rumor of "rituals," tracked those rituals down in time to actually witness the final one where he saw Philly collapse and get carted off. Badaim gave Slider two motives to choose from: curiousity about the nature of the ritual and concern over someone maybe being hurt or in danger. Slider was willing to concede that even if we aren't practitioners, academic interest would be sufficient reason for him to help.

Badaim deliberately did not mention any of the Open Cases documents or Whitechapel. In one of his recent emails I posted above, Ethan said he sees no harm in letting Slider know about the documents, but thanked us for keeping WF out of it.

Maybe we can make the 0702 cipher fit the "rumor" story we gave him earlier. Maybe call it some of the evidence someone gave us or we found that verified the existence of the ritual. We could probably say someone handed us the 0701 stuff because they thought we'd be interested, given what we were asking about.

Given his claimed ignorance of the meaning of the poem, maybe we should feed him the info about the band Deicide and their song When Heaven Burns. Since they are from neighboring Tampa, it's at least worth asking whether Philly was interested in them. badaim, you ass Razz
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 		Second QS response
After Luke stated that he had mailed QS re Philly's message I thought I'd also contact him just in case. I provided slightly more detail and some spec re Deicide etc


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Dear QS,

In the spirit of openness, entant cordial, glasnost and all that malarky I thought I'd let you know what we found at the address left by Philly. Apparently, about four months ago, Philly gave a girl called Heather $50 if she would memorise a verse which she should recite if anyone called Slider came calling. The verse is:

But Heather, ZERO
is growing cold
in heaven

Negative

Heaven Burns,
consuming every God
in glorious ashes

Does that mean anything to you? Part of the verse can be traced to a song by a Death Metal band.....was that the kind of thing that Philly was into?

We do believe that their may be a possibility that Philly was involved in trying to summon something (demon?).....doesn't seem the kind of thing that you'd be into so don't know if he would have shared anything with you.

Any help would be greatly appreciated old chap.




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Yes, dear Paul, so I have recently heard; the news brought to us by your bosom pal, Luke. But your telling of the tale makes oh so much more sense, since you answer the one, true mystery; namely, why would any sane woman do anything so odd for young master Phillip. Because she could use the cash, that's why. This, at least, makes perfect sense to me. I do hope she got it up front, which is not at all the say that Phillip was any sort of welsher. He has many iffy qualities, but in fairness he always is more than generous with his doubloons.

Death metal? Young master Phillip? Good heavens, no. On this point I can be almost certain, since young Phillip's taste (or more appropriately, lack of) in music is a common source of mirth to all who know him. To the young man's credit, he does not care one whit what anyone thinks of ABBA or Neil Diamond, and for that one must give him grudging props. One must also give him a pair of earphones, because one would not ever, ever want to hear that type of...auditory swill. No, I think the death metal connexion is unlikely.

Of course, it is very likely young Phillip was interested in summoning something, but certainly not anything so, what shall we say, "archetypal" as a demon. You are correct, it is not in his nature to hurl specifics (as you no doubt see) at anyone, but his veiled ramblings have given one at least an impressionistic picture of the lad's hobbies, and a summoning would not be a surprise. In dear Phillip's own case, an imbuing might be more likely the thing, though.

As I said to Luke, and I meant it, I wish I had more to offer. Although I am now more curious than I was, the little ditty means nothing to me. But that does not mean that it means nothing in fact. I can almost guarantee that it means something, and that, when understood, that something will cause someone to be annoyed with the lad. It's simply his nature, I fear.

QS



I also wrote the verse exactly as Jade had on his notebook, just in case it had any relevance

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 		Philly's Riddle and MSG3
I think I know what Philly is saying in his riddle and perhaps a new avenue for solving MSG3.
Take the Riddle:
Quote:
But Heather, ZERO is growing cold in heaven
Negative Heaven Burns, consuming every God in glorious ashes

here's what I see. BH.0IGCIH, -HB.CEGIGA OR 27.097397, -72.35797
Or what you see below. Yep that's right, it's the Bermuda Triangle. Which also explains the imbuing, which is like charging something. What is the Triangle known for? Some sort of energy. Right?
Hopefully this can get us moving in a new direction away from all that demonic ritual $h17. It's energy people, not demons. The Triangle is also known for odd disappearances and reappearances, the list goes on. Which might explain all this stuff of Jade being in our world, the Autumn Country world, the TINAG world, the TIAG world, etc... Now it finally gets interesting.

(Note: the overlay isn't perfect. but you get the point.)

Now I'm tired. So I'll let you guys do some of the research while I rest. But let's try and change directions with this thing. OK?
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 		Re: Philly's Riddle and MSG3
Sylvia wrote:

Take the Riddle:
Quote:
But Heather, ZERO is growing cold in heaven
Negative Heaven Burns, consuming every God in glorious ashes

here's what I see. BH.0IGCIH, -HB.CEGIGA OR 72.097397, -72.35797


BH.0IGCIH should be 28.07398, and
HB.CEGIGA should be 82.357971 or am I off-base when it comes to map coordinates....

That gives you 28.09398, -82.357971

/me goes back to lurking

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 		Sylvia,

I just wanted to take this opportunity to say...

That was amazing! Worshippy
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 		Yes it was.... sorry not to include that Sylvia and to just go straight to constructive criticism...

But the new (notice I didn't say correct) coordinates lead us here.
to an the middle of I -75 near Tampa

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 		I think you missed a digit.
natas wrote:

BH.01GCIH should be 28.07398, and
HB.CEGIGA should be 82.357971 or am I off-base when it comes to map coordinates....

That gives you 28.07398, -82.357971


The latitude should be 28.097398

Code:
But Heather, ZERO is growing cold in heaven
2   8      . 0    9  7       3    9  8

Negative Heaven Burns, consuming every God in glorious ashes
-        8      2    . 3         5     7   9  7        1


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 		Thank you thank you
now to see where that leads us.

The middle of I-75 near Tampa?

Try not to get run over if you gotta go there.

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 		Well goes to show you how tired I was. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad oh this is what i sent to Ethan, I guess I will need to send a new one and tell him to disregard this one.


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Sylvia to Ethan

Ethan

Hate to bother you but was wondering if you could look something up for me in the Foundation's records/archives. Would you see if you get any hits on The Bermuda Triangle (Devil's Triangle). It's possible you may get way to many hits so I will narrow it down for you. See if you get anything on this location within the Triangle itself. 27.097397, -72.357971

Looking forward to your reply.

Thanks

Sylvia.


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Sylvia wrote:
Well goes to show you how tired I was. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

Don't cry sylvia... every game I've played with you, you always have helped build the foundation for the rest of us to work from. KUDOS.

I just popped in from lurking to add my 2 cents.

Pe@ce

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 		Thanks guys, that really helps. Hey, the Devil's Triangle was nice while it lasted. I sent a new email to Ethan.

Quote:
Do mistakes come in threes?

Sylvia to Ethan

Wow did I ever mess up. While your checking on that Devil's Triangle location could you also check on a location in Tampa Florida. See if you get any hits for 28.097398,-82.357971.

Once again Thanks

Sylvia.


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