Return to Unfiction unforum
 a.r.g.b.b 
FAQ FAQ   Search Search 
 
Welcome!
New users, PLEASE read these forum guidelines. New posters, SEARCH before posting and read these rules before posting your killer new campaign. New players may also wish to peruse the ARG Player Tutorial.

All users must abide by the Terms of Service.
Website Restoration Project
This archiving project is a collaboration between Unfiction and Sean Stacey (SpaceBass), Brian Enigma (BrianEnigma), and Laura E. Hall (lehall) with
the Center for Immersive Arts.
Announcements
This is a static snapshot of the
Unfiction forums, as of
July 23, 2017.
This site is intended as an archive to chronicle the history of Alternate Reality Games.
  

The time now is Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:06 pm
All times are UTC - 4 (DST in action)		 View posts in this forum since last visit
View unanswered posts in this forum
Calendar
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: The Haunted Apiary (Let Op!) » The Haunted Apiary (Let Op!): General/Updates
[SPEC]/[QUESTION] "Wide awake and physical" meanin
View previous topicView next topic
Page 1 of 2 [16 Posts]   Goto page: 1, 2 Next
Author Message
nevermore
Greenhorn

Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Posts: 6

 		[SPEC]/[QUESTION] "Wide awake and physical" meanin
Hello all. I recently got hooked by this story, and have been reading in a frenzy trying to retain all this information. I just have some questions and I couldn't hold them to myself. I just had to try and get feedback (sorry if this is trout-worthy, but I did search 3 or 4 times to these questions. At least I tried, right? Smile )



Everyone is obviously familiar with the countdown on the main site (www.ilovebees.com), but I haven't been able to find much on the specualtion of the final phase's meaning.

One such instance speculated that this was until SPDR was "wide awake," but this snippet confuses me a little:

Quote:
The Spider doesn't understand about the Assassin. Spider's just a reflex, a task and a toolset. Doesn't get the bigger picture. I'm nailed to a griddle of sand while some bitch is shooting bullets into me, all the Spider knows is her checkdown routines, her reflex arcs. She doesn't understand we have to kill the Assassin first and worry about reconstruction later.


Does this mean that the timer might be a point when SPDR stops being just a toolset? Like it evolves?

Does this mean that it is how long SPDR feels it will take until the Queen is "wide awake"? What are the implications of that? I assume it would try and kill Dana, but the whole "AI being physical" thing is giving me trouble.


Again, I deeply appologize if this is trout. This game has just really fascinated me and I felt I just HAD to take the plung and really get into all this. Thanks for any response.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:09 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Scumbag
Decorated


Joined: 27 Jul 2004
Posts: 214

 		My gut says that its a timedown until:

1)Story Terms: The AI becomes fully repaired, or repaired enough that she's able to do much more than wallow around on a website.

2) Real Terms: We get a physical product of some sort for Halo 2.
_________________
When I first got there and asked about I Love Bees, the attendant said I must be looking for some other theater... I said, "er....Halo 2 Preview Event?" and suddenly he understood what I meant.
fphzont jnf ynhtuvat

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:13 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Noir
Boot

Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 47

 		"Wide Awake and Physical" is a military phrase. For instance, you might say "wide awake and physical" about a sailor on a naval ship to indicate that he has been taken from his bunk or regular duties, inspected by the ship's doctor to ensure fitness and is now ready to receive orders and sent into action.

For the AI to reach the status "wide awake and physical" it means that it will be fully repaired, and attempting to determine its mission. Since there is nothing around, as far as I can tell, to give it its orders Melissa at this stage should become quite alarmed, perhaps even hostile.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:32 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Ke3PeR
Greenhorn

Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 7

 		that phrase makes me thing of MC from Halo1 when she is unforzen and is wide awake and physical.

Maybe on the 24th he will be unfrozen again and Halo2 will be released? Smile

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:39 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
nevermore
Greenhorn

Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Posts: 6

 		Ah. That helps tremendously. My appologies for bringing up something so obvious. Smile

If that's the case, then I have another question. I'm having a very hard time keeping a timeline clean in my head, in relation to the actual puzzle solving.

That is to say, as of this moment, what are the primary concerns? Because things from last night to today seem to have changed, but its hard to tell what's totally new and fresh, and what's not.



Like, are people are still trying to figure out what (PF/SP) is trying to communicate via regurgitated emails, or is that old news?

I'm so outta the loop.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:42 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Lysit
Boot

Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 34

 		She sees herself as a weapon, and therefore her primary concern is to kill the assassin (Dana).
_________________
Annoy, Annoy, ANNOY!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:43 pm
 View user's profile MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
aliendial
Unfictologist


Joined: 29 Sep 2002
Posts: 3438
Location: Far Far Away. Nowhere Near You. Really.

 		Nevermore - visit the wiki and the beelog.
_________________
aliendial

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:30 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
nevermore
Greenhorn

Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Posts: 6

 		I have. Several times, actually. But its still a lot of information to retain. Thank you, though. Smile

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:41 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
clamatius
Decorated


Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 209
Location: Seattle

 		Sleeping Princess & WIDE AWAKE
My personal spec on the meaning of WIDE AWAKE is that the Sleeping Princess will awaken when the countdown finishes. After all, she's the only entity we know of at present that's asleep...

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:39 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website
 Back to top 
Shad0
I Have No Life


Joined: 20 Jun 2004
Posts: 2180
Location: Southern California, USA

 		Re: Sleeping Princess & WIDE AWAKE
clamatius wrote:
My personal spec on the meaning of WIDE AWAKE is that the Sleeping Princess will awaken when the countdown finishes. After all, she's the only entity we know of at present that's asleep...

I think it means the Operator. That seems to be the medium that SPDR is trying to repair, and that's who suddenly got access to a "network tentacle" when network throttling eroded on Tuesday.
_________________
These were the puzzles that would take a day, these were puzzles that would take a week, and these puzzles they'd probably never figure out until we broke down and gave them the answers. ... The Cloudmakers solved all of these puzzles on the first day.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:48 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
clamatius
Decorated


Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 209
Location: Seattle

 		Ok, it's one of the two entities. Smile Still think it's worth bearing in mind though.

SPDR did seem to know what the Princess was, it just couldn't access it (yet) at the start. I think it's trying to fix everything it can, not just the Operator. Consensus seems to have it that this snippet is the SPDR trying and failing to access the Princess:

Code:
net:
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop

grope:
!probe extern proc 0
crypt strong

surg:
!mat extern proc 0
si confidence 78
!triage extern proc 0
fail


but if the Princess is proc 0, I guess maybe it does have some interaction with her later:

Code:
net:
!attach
act | drop recurse

!extern proc 0
log accessed


Food for thought.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:05 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website
 Back to top 
Zenneth
Boot

Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Posts: 36

 		Queen and Princess
My first thoughts were witht the queen. but then i remembered the princess, the thing is, do we know what the princess does? What it, really is? Yes, it's another sort of AI, but even the spider can't seem to mess with it at all. So it's a countdown to the part that brings in the princess in a bigger role to the game?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:00 am
 View user's profile AIM Address
 Back to top 
Noir
Boot

Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 47

 		Re: Queen and Princess
Zenneth wrote:
My first thoughts were witht the queen. but then i remembered the princess, the thing is, do we know what the princess does? What it, really is? Yes, it's another sort of AI, but even the spider can't seem to mess with it at all. So it's a countdown to the part that brings in the princess in a bigger role to the game?


We have no evidence telling us what the Princess does.

I continually post evidence stating that the Princess is part of the overall Melissa entity, so the Princess' uses could be inferred by the process of elimination and noting what the other entities do (The Flea spies, the SPDR repairs, the Queen communicates and thinks, MY SPEC is that the Princess is the weapon).

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:28 am
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
nevermore
Greenhorn

Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Posts: 6
Quote:
I continually post evidence stating that the Princess is part of the overall Melissa entity, so the Princess' uses could be inferred by the process of elimination and noting what the other entities do (The Flea spies, the SPDR repairs, the Queen communicates and thinks, MY SPEC is that the Princess is the weapon).


I do like the idea that the princess is just another part of the queen. What troubles me with your analasys (sp?) is when you say the princess may be the weapon. I feel there is potential, speculative at best so far, for her being an antagonist. However, the end of Melissa's monologue clearly states that she is just a weapon now. This leads me to believe that the princess isn't another weapon. At least, not with the same goals.

The Queen could be saying that she is a weapon, in that, her consuming desire is to destroy Dana. So, it could be a figure of speach. Thoughts?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:34 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
clamatius
Decorated


Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 209
Location: Seattle

 		Remember that Melissa/The Operator thinks of herself as a military spacecraft (fond memories of a welder "like a cat's tongue") - as a military craft, of course she's really a weapon. My own spec is that is all she means when she says [URL=http://bees.netninja.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Operator%27s_Monologue]"But that's life when a weapon is what you are."[/URL].

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:50 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website
 Back to top 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 1 of 2 [16 Posts]   Goto page: 1, 2 Next
View previous topicView next topic
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: The Haunted Apiary (Let Op!) » The Haunted Apiary (Let Op!): General/Updates
Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group