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[SPEC] Killer.jpg: Authors based upon salutations
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rowan
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 		[SPEC] Killer.jpg: Authors based upon salutations
Now, before you guys get out the trouts:

I know that the killer.jpg is being discussed in the Wiki, but I just don't feel like cluttering the Wiki with loads of spec.

And I also know that keybsnbits posted a similiar theory here but this is quite different, and that thread is 7 pages long so I'm starting a new thread.

So, besides those 2 instances noted above, if you find any other references to my theory, then you may trout.

So onto the main event:

I think that there are 4 different entities talking to us through the killer Q/As and that each entity signs their responses differently: love, Thank You, Modestly, and 3 others which have none. We are also aware of 4 entities, the ones spoken about in the Widows Tale: the Sleeping Princess, the Queen, the Widow, and the Pious Flea. My idea is the following:

Sleeping Princess = love,
the Queen = Thank you.
the Widow = Modestly,
the Pious Flea = (none)

This idea actually works quite well for 12 of the 13 killer.jpgs. The 13th is a bit of a stretch, but I think I've explained it well enough so it works there as well (but if you also consider my other theory here it works even better). Now I'll do a quick analysis of each picture to show you why I think this.

Killer 10: Thank you (the Queen)
This isn't the Widow. It calls the Widow nasty, simple, and itself a rational being. The Queen isn't overly fond of the Widow, even if the Widow is reparing her. I have a feeling Melissa (the Operator/Queen) would consider herself a rational being even though she is clearly losing her mind.

Killer 2: love, (Princess)
Calls herself a kid, an innocent bystander, stored in an airtight container in the deepest and darkest sleeping casket. Fits quite well with the Widows Story.

Killer 11: love, (Princess)
Nothing here to be able to link to the Princess directly except for the "love,". This answer would fit into the theory that the Princess is an earlier copy of Melissa (from 7 years ago?) and has been in stasis - but is now awake and learning.

Killer 12: none (Flea)
Not the Queen or Princess. It can only watch from the shadows. When the Flea hid in the Widows Story it makes sense he would hide in the shadows where he would be less noticable.

Killer 7: none (Flea)
Ok, this is where the theory is the weakest. The question asks if it is the Pious Flea and it answers with a statement "nasty little infestation". Normally, why would someone insult themselves. But...a flea is normally considered an infestation - so he's just confirming that it what he is. (Also, my theory that the Flea is actually a virus in Melissa's system works nicely with this as well).

Killer 13: Modestly (Widow)
Says it is fine and has the tools necessary to hide hard in the darkness. The Widow program is working without problems, and only the Widow had tools to work in the darkness. Plus "this entity generally gives good results" is another clue. The Widow program is first and foremost a repair program. Overall, it will give a good outcome, even if some of the procedures may be less than desired.

Killer 3: Thank you (Queen)
Nothing here directly relating to the Queen except for "thank you." References to where the Princess lived (using her name instead of I). I can't see anyone else trying to fix up part of the palace (even the dungeon) except the Queen. If the Queen's memory is so damaged, she might not realize that trying to "put the dungeon to splendor" might not accomplish anything.

Killer 1: love, (Princess)
Not the Widow. Says Queen is the voodoo parent. References to "before I woke up". Having a hard time processing words (because she has spent so long sleeping?).

Killer 9: love, (Princess)
Not the Queen or Widow. Sympathizes with Dana. Been kept in bad shaped (locked up?) by Queen and Widow. Knows ways of protecting Dana (because she's used them on herself?)

Killer 4: love, (Princess)
Nothing directly related to the Princess except "love,". The answers seem simple (because she is still having problems with words?)

Killer 8: none (Flea)
Nothing directly relating to the Flea. Says it is alone and scared? Goes with theory that Flea needs to hide from at least the Widow and possibly from everyone.

Killer 5: love, (Princess)
Nothing direclty relating to the Princess. Says she is a victim and had a bad experience as a child. Doesn't know who they are. First part of answers are simple - the problem with words again.

Killer 6: love, (Princess)
Again, nothing directly related to the Princess. Unfamiliarity with words. Mistakes (?) for just a regular question mark.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:39 am
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 		Thank you for actually giving evidence to this theory. I have been unable to spend enough time to actually write anything out. Good spec!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:47 am
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 		people requested evidence, and when its given to them... they don't comment. so sad Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:45 pm
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 		Ok, well, the reason I didn't comment is because I think it's an interesting idea, but the evidence offered is weak at best. So many "nothing directly relating"s in a list of points designed to prove a theory can't be a good sign.

BUT I'm loathe to say this, because I do think the thing with the signoffs is an interesting concept, and maybe worth expanding on by people more convinced it has merit than I. It's possibly random, but it's possibly not.

For what it's worth, I'm sure the comments come from one person. If you take the Operator's Monologue stuff to be the voice of The Queen, and the black-boxed countdown text to be the The Widow (or SPDR)'s reports, you can see distinct types of vocab and writing styles for them both. Why would their voices, mannerisms change in the killer.jpg text clips? Why would The Queen suddenly start communicating with clipped text when she can talk effectively enough already?

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keybsnbits wrote:
people requested evidence, and when its given to them... they don't comment. so sad :(


We've got a lot of spec going on, but much of it isn't really leading anywhere - we're trying to assemble backstory based on very little evidence; keep in mind that what concrete information we have at the moment is minimal, everything else is pure educated guesswork.

We can make guesses about the authors of the killer.jpg messages, we can analyse the voicemail message, we can guess at the passphrase for the (possibly) steg'd image, but really, until something changes over at ilovebees.com or Dana posts to her blog (or something else obvious and ingame happens) I don't think this spec can really come to much - unless, that is, we've all collectively missed something blindingly obvious.

I can only hope something happens soon, though (before the AI metastasizes, anyway), because otherwise the PMs could find people's attention wandering...
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 		None of the spec is going anywhere because we don't have enough of the story yet:/
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:20 pm
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ste wrote:
Ok, well, the reason I didn't comment is because I think it's an interesting idea, but the evidence offered is weak at best. So many "nothing directly relating"s in a list of points designed to prove a theory can't be a good sign.

BUT I'm loathe to say this, because I do think the thing with the signoffs is an interesting concept, and maybe worth expanding on by people more convinced it has merit than I. It's possibly random, but it's possibly not.


I guess I didn't explain how I came up with this well enough then. This thought all started when I was trying to figured out why there would be different salutations. If there were different ones for each picture, I don't think it would be as significant (unless it hid another puzzle). From this, I went on to identify key pictures: notably being 13, 10, 2 & 12. It was from those pictures that I based who I thought went with what salutation. When in the others I say "nothing directly relating" I meant that from those pictures alone you wouldn't be able to tell who was saying what. But in the larger scheme of things, they would fit.

ste wrote:

For what it's worth, I'm sure the comments come from one person. If you take the Operator's Monologue stuff to be the voice of The Queen, and the black-boxed countdown text to be the The Widow (or SPDR)'s reports, you can see distinct types of vocab and writing styles for them both. Why would their voices, mannerisms change in the killer.jpg text clips? Why would The Queen suddenly start communicating with clipped text when she can talk effectively enough already?


If they did all come from one person, it really could only be the Flea (but then it is pushing it) or someone else entirely that we haven't seen. We've had no evidence that the Flea has been trapped, asleep, gives good results or dreams. As for a fifth person? Unless it is the same person that narrated the Widows Story, there has been nothing to suggest of their existance. All the spec I have seen so far has either been for this to be either all the Flea or all the Princess, and to me it doesn't add up.

I know that this is just a theory and that until we get more information it will always be just that. But I really don't think that this spec is any worse than all of the others that are out there that have been discussed over and over again.
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I know that this is just a theory and that until we get more information it will always be just that. But I really don't think that this spec is any worse than all of the others that are out there that have been discussed over and over again.


It IS an interesting theory. Personally I don't buy it, but I think at this early stage it is helpful to present well-thought-out, coherent, and plausible theories like this to prevent us from getting locked into one mindset about the situation. If we all come to accept the "Killer text comes from the Flea" theory now, it may prevent us from looking corrently at a later puzzle. So, thanks!
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