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[SPEC][INFO]The Princess, definitive thread
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Lutzie
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 		Re: Another theory on SP -
hodges wrote:

*Novel Spoiler*
Possible, but the Spartan in the cryo chamber is revived in First Strike.

As far as I know, all the Spartans have the neural socket, but the MC was the only one with an AI.

Not quite. At the END of First Strike, Halsey escapes with a Spartan in Cryo, I *think* it's Kelly she escapes with.

All Spartans have TWO neural sockets. The MC is the only one CARRYING an AI (Cortana) but in theory any Spartan should be able to carry her.

Evidence, tagged as spoilers for the books:
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1: Project MJOLNIR was designed to infiltrate the Covenant homeworld, with Cortanas help. The Spartans would then hold the Prophets (the leaders of the covenant as hostages
2: All the armour was, as far as we know, identical.
3: The AI is inserted into "slots", either within a starships systems, or into a Neural lace.
4: Cortana is asked which Spartan she wants to "be with", and she picks John (The Chief). As she is given a choice then logically any Spartan can carry an AI, but only John did.


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jonathanjoyce
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 		I am very curious as to whether we have as of yet encountered anything that could be considered malicious from the AI?

SPDR seems to be only attempting to repair.
Dana has been targetted but only because she is percieved as a "killer" and a threat to the AI.
While the Flea remains elusive and seems to be supporting the Princess.
The only thing we haven't yet encountered is the Princess.
Isn't it safe to conclude that our primary concern then should be the affect that the awakening of the Princess will have on the entire construct here?

I could just be missing some very important details. If that is so it'd be great if someone could point me in the right direction.

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 		Re: Another theory on SP -
Lutzie wrote:
Not quite. At the END of First Strike, Halsey escapes with a Spartan in Cryo, I *think* it's Kelly she escapes with.


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Its a different Spartan that I was refereing to. The one put in cryo at the end of Fall of Reach (Linda, I think) is revived in First Strike. But you are right, Halsey does take off with Kelly at the end of First Strike.


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Lutzie
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 		Ah... Crossed wires there on my half hodges, apologies. Smile

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 		I know it's been knocked down elsewhere, but..
In reference to this particular conversation, I keep going back to the combination of repair processes by SPDR and the countdown to "Wide awake and physical". As we have yet to hear from the Princess, who may be referred to as the "secondary process" in the computer code, is it possible that the repairs are to a living human, and the countdown is to their regaining conciousness and mobility? Even if "Wide awake and physical" is military jargon for being ready for duty and only used figuratively, this makes sense if the Princess is a Spartan (or even just an AI patterned after a Spartan). It seems like we know there is a countdown going on, and at the end something will be awake, or active, or ready - The Sleeping Princess seems the only character currently known who fits this bill.

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 		So a spartan Is back in time as well?
So look out for gaint green robots on the news in 10/11 days then:P
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Lysit wrote:
So a spartan Is back in time as well?
So look out for gaint green robots on the news in 10/11 days then:P

Y'know, Microsoft did order 50 suits of costume Mjolnir armour... Very Happy

-- Steve doesn't think that's the reason, but what the hey, it's a slow news day.
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 		That's what i get for thinking out loud..
Of course, since time travel is impossible according to our current understanding of physics, whether it's an entire spaceship or just a computer program, it's no more ridiculous to think a Spartan is in 2004 than an AI...

And just in case they end up short a few suits of armor:

http://www.nightmarearmor.com/

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 		Re: That's what i get for thinking out loud..
HoldenC wrote:
Of course, since time travel is impossible according to our current understanding of physics, whether it's an entire spaceship or just a computer program, it's no more ridiculous to think a Spartan is in 2004 than an AI...

And just in case they end up short a few suits of armor:

http://www.nightmarearmor.com/

Ack - missed the hyperlink in the reply above me - beating me to the jokes, too!

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Anton P. Nym wrote:
Y'know, Microsoft did order 50 suits of costume Mjolnir armour... Very Happy

I really like those armours... they've done a really good job making it very realistic... my only complaint about them is the helmet.. i don't know.. i doesn't fit right to me.. anyways is a really great armour

see it by yourselves!:


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 		Re: That's what i get for thinking out loud..
HoldenC wrote:
Of course, since time travel is impossible according to our current understanding of physics, whether it's an entire spaceship or just a computer program, it's no more ridiculous to think a Spartan is in 2004 than an AI...


Not trying to start a theory or nothing, but one of the abilities of that forerunner crystal was to bend time wasn't it? I shrug it off but the thought is the only connection I make when I think that this stuff is suppose to be happening in 2004. But if they throw that into the Halo storyline I will flip...[/b]

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TheBiggestSean
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 		Technically, the Forerunner crystal seemed to bend time and space around it, which isn't technically time travel. It's closer to time "hopping".

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The crystal reached out through time and space when it was acitivated by... something... and grabbed the Ascendent Justice (the ship that Cortana, Master Chief and the Halo survivors commandeer) while it was in Slipspace transit.


So it would seem that it effects physics in a way we don't quite understand. Slipsace is a non-Newtonian "anti-space". You've heard of Anti-matter, correct? There are theories within the scientific community that indicate that all the forces and energy that we have recorded thus far have a 'negating' factor. Slipspace is like... anti-space. It is, in essence, non existence, and none of the current laws of physics we know of today technically apply in non-Newtonian environments. This also maintains that the law of conservation does not imply that the total amount or measurement of energy and matter remain constant, but that they remain in constant balance with their equalizer, but if I said that to a real physicist... well. You understand.

So, if we assume that time travels in one direction in our reality, then in "Slipspace", it would travel in the opposite.

So, the Forerunner crystals really serve only the purpose of orienting anti-time and anti-space in its general direction. But it's possible that any thing that exists in Slipspace during either occassion of the crystal's activation would have themselves dramatically pulled in an odd direction, through both Space and Time.

ONI ships have extremely powerful slipspace drives. I suspect that just following the completion of whatever surveyance directives Melissa's ship had completed near Troy, they entered Slipspace and were sent rocketing through space and time to come out, highly damaged and in a generally bad sted, in our time. As per the Cole Protocol, the Captain of the ship initiated a system purge. The Operator did not see this as necessary, and attempted to escape to the nearest stable, accepting, network. If I am correct that it was the Applebee she was stationed on, it makes sense that Melissa chose Ilovebees.com. The fracturing of her psyche into the pieces like Sleeping Princess, Pious Flee, SPDR, and the core Melissa entity (which SPDR desperately attempted to lock down) was a result of the initial phases of the Cole protocol, and each piece would long to attach to something akin to its former home. Both networks end in "bee", for example.

Which would explain why she already felt "dead" when Dana began to attack her with her "primitive anti-virals" and other ridiculously ancient protocols.

Criticisms are welcome.

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 		Yeah I'm totally convinced now time travel is a part of it. I just found this today...

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grope around with. Not a real network, after all. Copper and silicon and every now and then some FIBER? Christ, what's next? Tin cans and twine?


Not to mention the "primative anti-virals". Hey, apparently u have the Halo books...is the Applebee the same ship that the covenant stuck a bug on at Reach?

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 		Response:

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The Covenant bugged the Iroquis at Sigma Octanus IV. The Iroquis was Captain Keyes' command before the Pillar of Autumn. Ostensibly, that's how they found Reach, though some people think that there was some treachery in the human ranks.

Applebee was one of three ONI spy ships dry-docked at Reach when the Covenant struck. The three ships, Circumference, Lark, and Applebee, were all aproximately 40 meters in length, and were charged with missions that we don't know anything about. Circumference was destroyed when the station it was attached to failed to initiate the Cole Protocol remotely within its systems. Lark and Applebee were not reported on further, so its reasonable to assume they bugged the hell out.


If the literal name of Pious flea has anything to do with the term Pious, it could be that the "Pious Flea" is responsible for monitoring and ensuring that every AI follows the Cole Protocol in terms of security. We know that a lot of ONI's high-level AI have some human-sensitive functions implanted in them making them much more controllable.

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KillerB wrote:
Not to mention the "primative anti-virals". Hey, apparently u have the Halo books...is the Applebee the same ship that the covenant stuck a bug on at Reach?


Nope. The bug was planted on the Iroquois on its way out of the Sigma Octanus IV system, headed to Reach. The device recorded their passage and star chart positions, then at some point fired its memory core into slipspace, where a covenant ship retrieved it and thus was able to find Reach. Chapter 23, the last 1-2 paragraphs. Wink There was no such device deployed (that the book mentions) in Reach itself.

Now, let me get back to finishing book 2, so I can correct more of you peoples lame mistakes. Wink lol Just kidding.

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