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[SPEC] Who's controlling what in ILB
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number8
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 		[SPEC] Who's controlling what in ILB
We have so far uncovered many embedded text from around ILB, to summarize:

from phase 1: MAYDAY text, COMPUTER CONSOLE text, THE WIDOW'S JOURNEY
from phase 2: MILITARY CONVERSATIONS, KILLER.JPG text, OPERATOR'S MONOLOGUE, LINKS text

After some great work from everybody (kudos Worshippy), we have compile the full stories and have an idea of their origins:

SPDR/OPERATOR
MAYDAY text
COMPUTER CONSOLE text
MILITARY CONVERSATIONS
OPERATOR'S MONOLOGUE
LINKS text

PIOUS FLEA/SLEEPING PRINCESS(well not SPDR/OPERATOR anyway)
THE WIDOW'S JOURNEY
KILLER.JPG text


If you look at at the origins of those text and their location, you'd notice a pattern. All SPRD/OPERATOR text are from html pages, and all PIOUS FLEA/SLEEPING PRINCESS text are from images. This then tells us that the OPERATOR has control of the html pages, and FLEA/PRINCESS has control of the images.

Furthur more, the OPERATOR only has control of the front 5 pages, (that is index, about, hives, honey, links), that's why only those pages have been altered, while the rest (like the recipes) have not touch. Also this why Dana's attempt to reload her site results in qurantine of those five said pages, but not the rest.

Howver the only thing not consistent with all this are the green text on contactme.html and killer.jpg. Both looks to be from the FLEA. It would make sense that the FLEA has control of contactme.html, that's how it comes acroos the hotmail account and he put "problem quite interesting" there.

How he wrote the bystander phrase killer.jpg is more puzzling, but I should point out that the image is superimposed on to the page. If the above pattern is to be followed, it would seem the FLEA put the image there, and along with it the innocent bystander phrase. As for the "SURPRISE" portion of the text on killer.jpg. Well maybe the FLEA is spying on the OPERATOR, which is plausible considering that the FLEA is small, hidden, and has a intrusive nature.

So what can we learn from this? Nothing new I suppose. This would reinforce the fact that the FLEA is the one answering the question. And by this theory, it is possible that the OPERATOR might not even know the existence of the the hotmail account, since it didn't have control on the contactme.html page yet. It is possible the OPERATOR doesn't even know that FLEA exist.

My working theory on all this is that the OPERATOR communicates by text, while the FLEA communicates by images. Also, the two AIs are existing independently of each other. The FLEA is spying on the OPERATOR, and the OPERATOR doesn't know of the FLEA's existence. The FLEA is also communicating from hotmail, in broken English because it does not primarily talk through language. The OPERATOR might not even know the existence of the the hotmail account, since it didn't have control on the contactme.html page yet, and thus it doesn't know that ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com exist. The dream is from the SLEEPING PRINCESS who, but put into the images by the Flea.

I don't know how this fits into the grand scheme of things, especailly in the HALO universe but just looking at the origins of the embedded text, my theory seems to hold. I am hoping that this will give a new spin on our current investigation. I am probably missing a few things hower.

I really hope that this isn't trout. I stand by my record of 0 trouting. Mr. Green

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 		Re: [SPEC] Who's controlling what in ILB
TROUT! (Okay, no, not really, just kidding.)

number8 wrote:
Howver the only thing not consistent with all this are the green text on contactme.html and killer.jpg. Both looks to be from the FLEA. It would make sense that the FLEA has control of contactme.html, that's how it comes acroos the hotmail account and he put "problem quite interesting" there.

How he wrote the bystander phrase killer.jpg is more puzzling, but I should point out that the image is superimposed on to the page. If the above pattern is to be followed, it would seem the FLEA put the image there, and along with it the innocent bystander phrase. As for the "SURPRISE" portion of the text on killer.jpg. Well maybe the FLEA is spying on the OPERATOR, which is plausible considering that the FLEA is small, hidden, and has a intrusive nature.

Two gentle corrections (neither of which necessarily negates your SPEC). First of all, the "I was looking at your site..." text, while it may appear on top of the photograph, is not actually part of killer.jpg. It's text, like all of the other text on the page -- check the source code -- and like "problem quite interesting" on contactme.html.

Second, don't forget the third instance of green text, from honey.html: "At this time, I am unable to sell honey because of an infestation of varrao mites in my hives. I hope to be back in business soon!" It is in exactly the same font as the other two messages, which has led me, at least, to conclude that it is also a message from the Flea.
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 		The "varrao mites" text was in the screenshot of the uncorrupted page on the blogspot site. The other green texts are suspicious though.

If we want to be paranoid, the first post to that screenshot is Cortana saying "I'm everywhere!".

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 		Re: [SPEC] Who's controlling what in ILB
Cmdr Jameson wrote:
The "varrao mites" text was in the screenshot of the uncorrupted page on the blogspot site.

Cursing
I Trout myself -- I've been told that before, too. So here's what I meant to say:

When the Pious Flea -- or whoever it is -- wanted to leave messages for us, it chose the exact same font color and style as another message on the site. I SPECulate that the original message in that font and color is something the Flea wishes us to notice.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:11 pm
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 		[PURE SPEC] It seems as if the "flea" or AI that is communicating with us used the green text cuz it noticed that this text was added as a "warning or update" so it is assimulating this warning in attempt to communicate.

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 		Another [SPEC] on the green text.

From killer.jpg.

Quote:
the Widow awoke the Widow can read this
internet messaging
telecommunications systems


We know that the Spider likes to use existing formatting, so maybe it's trying to do something by posting fragments of emails on the site. Maybe working out where or who they are going from or to.

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 		Well the main point of my theory, which I admit is probably lost in my long post is the different communicating styles of the different AIs, which is something that we should at least keep in mind. Another point is that the Flea (or whoever that answers the email) has hacked into EVERY image in the site, while the Operator has only taken over the front 5 webpages, or so it seems.
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 		I don't think it's as clinical as one having control of the images and one having control of the text. That doesn't really make sense in the context of how webservers work - if something can edit the html, it can edit the images too, it's all data.

It seems more likely that The Flea (if it is The Flea that's communicating through the images) perceives hiding text in pictures as a way of communicating with us without The Queen noticing.

(Except that doesn't really make sense either, given that you'd imagine The Queen isn't seeing the images as pictures, but as streams of data. But I can imagine there being some slightly-spurious in-game reason as to why it doesn't - it's just instinctively a more covert method of talking to us, isn't it?)

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 		Re: [SPEC] Who's controlling what in ILB
number8 wrote:
We have so far uncovered many embedded text from around ILB, to summarize:

from phase 1: MAYDAY text, COMPUTER CONSOLE text, THE WIDOW'S JOURNEY
from phase 2: MILITARY CONVERSATIONS, KILLER.JPG text, OPERATOR'S MONOLOGUE, LINKS text

After some great work from everybody (kudos Worshippy), we have compile the full stories and have an idea of their origins:

SPDR/OPERATOR
MAYDAY text
COMPUTER CONSOLE text
MILITARY CONVERSATIONS
OPERATOR'S MONOLOGUE
LINKS text

PIOUS FLEA/SLEEPING PRINCESS(well not SPDR/OPERATOR anyway)
THE WIDOW'S JOURNEY
KILLER.JPG text


Can somebody point out to me when and where the Widow's Journey was attributed to the Flea or the Seeping Princes? Can somebody assure me that this source has good evidence to back this claim up?

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 		in one of the killer.jpg messages, whoever wrote it (we still can't say for sure ) said that they dreamed that story before they were fully awake.

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Samari wrote:
in one of the killer.jpg messages, whoever wrote it (we still can't say for sure ) said that they dreamed that story before they were fully awake.


And the Widow awakened, in that story, when the queen died.
The Queen obviously had to awake after the SPDR brought her back to life.
The Sleeping Princess for all intents and purposes NEVER awoke.
The Flea has been active throughout, with no sign it ever slept.

Can authorship thusly be attributed to anyone?

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 		Re: [SPEC] Who's controlling what in ILB
Noir wrote:
Samari wrote:
in one of the killer.jpg messages, whoever wrote it (we still can't say for sure ) said that they dreamed that story before they were fully awake.

And the Widow awakened, in that story, when the queen died.
The Queen obviously had to awake after the SPDR brought her back to life.
The Sleeping Princess for all intents and purposes NEVER awoke.
The Flea has been active throughout, with no sign it ever slept.

Can authorship thusly be attributed to anyone?

Well, we know it's not the Widow or the Queen. The author of killer.jpg seems to be opposed to them. From killer9:

Quote:
The Widow the Queen are trying to keep me in very bad shape as well

From killer10 (in response to the question "Are you the Widow?"):

Quote:
The Widow rather... nasty

From killer12 (in response to the question "Are you the Queen?"):

Quote:
Guess I feel the Queen isn't something good
Guess I feel the Queen will be swift and terrible.

And we strongly suspect that the author of killer.jpg is the same as the author of the Widow's Journey story. From killer1:

Quote:
Before I woke up I dreamed what the Widow said in processing mode

Going against that, of course, is the fact that the Widow's Journey is beautifully written, while the killer.jpg messages have to be cobbled together from incoming e-mails. Dunno

Anyway, I am inclined to think that it is the Flea or the Princess, for at least two reasons. First, I think that all of these characters were inactive ("died") after whatever happened to destroy Melissa's ship. There is no reason not to think that, for example, the Widow/SPDR and the Flea reactivated at roughly the same time. Alternately, even though the princess has never "awakened," in theory she could still be the one who "dreamed" the story. All SPEC, of course...

Second, SPDR detected only two external processes -- which we presume to be the Princess and the Flea -- so there aren't really any other suspects out there in the ether.
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 		Re: [SPEC] Who's controlling what in ILB
Shad0 wrote:
<snip>
Quote:
Well, we know it's not the Widow or the Queen. The author of killer.jpg seems to be opposed to them. From killer9:

Quote:
The Widow the Queen are trying to keep me in very bad shape as well
<snip>

This line, in particular the word "keep", brings back to my mind the email recieved from Margret's account which opens with "keep me".
Assuming who ever authored that email and the messages hidden in killer.jpg are the same (as both are composed from snippets from other places).....And, assuming that their use of the word "keep" is consistant.....AND that their knowledge of punctuation is limited......suppose that line is meant to read...
The Widow and The Queen are trying to help; I'm in very bad shape as well .
Possibly the Widow's and the Queen's orgininal mission was a nobel, helpful one? I dunno, just thought that I'd throw it into the mix.

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drizjr wrote:
Shad0 wrote:
Well, we know it's not the Widow or the Queen. The author of killer.jpg seems to be opposed to them. From killer9:

Quote:
The Widow the Queen are trying to keep me in very bad shape as well

This line, in particular the word "keep", brings back to my mind the email recieved from Margret's account which opens with "keep me".
Assuming who ever authored that email and the messages hidden in killer.jpg are the same (as both are composed from snippets from other places).....And, assuming that their use of the word "keep" is consistant.....AND that their knowledge of punctuation is limited......suppose that line is meant to read...
The Widow and The Queen are trying to help; I'm in very bad shape as well .
Possibly the Widow's and the Queen's orgininal mission was a nobel, helpful one? I dunno, just thought that I'd throw it into the mix.

Certainly possible. However, the text surrounding the line I quoted above was:

Quote:
If the recipient is Dana,

Please don't be freaked out

The Widow the Queen are trying to keep me in very bad shape as well
I can sympathize with you

I believe I can help you out, I can apply a construct to protect your

core

So it sounds to me like the author was responding to Dana being "freaked out" by what the Queen did to her, i.e. controlling her webcam and threatening her, and comparing it to what the Widow and Queen were doing to the author. Neither noble nor helpful.
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ste wrote:
It seems more likely that The Flea (if it is The Flea that's communicating through the images) perceives hiding text in pictures as a way of communicating with us without The Queen noticing.


Do we have any relationship information on the relationship between Mellissa and the Flea. My readings and thoughts are not leading me to beieve that they are foes in any way. Why would he hide it from her

Please feel free to bash me to help me learn. I am new to this lol Screwy Coffee

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