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ccelo
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hey everyone. i watched the movie yesterday here in brazil.

there are some points that made me wonder...

ok, there are a lot of explosions... but why explosions?! the monster didn't used fire balls or anything like that when he showed up! ok, he might have hit an gas station or blahblahblah... but i think I saw the explosion coming from below to the top. and the little monsters didn't spit fire! strange...

other thing... the monster that showed up when he eated hud, if you pay attention some planes passed up in the direction of the city, but the GIANT monster was very close to hud and the others... that means there was 2 monsters... and the hell! the military didn't see that HUGE thing in a big field?!?!!

yeah... maybe it's nonsense, but if anyone has anything to say i'd like to hear!

Marcelo.

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Re: questions

I had the same question before about why the planes were ignoring him, someone said maybe they were clearing out for "hammer down". maybe they were out of ammo.

the big explosion was the Tagruato ship (shown at the bridge scene), other explosions were either gas lines or bombing MGP.

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ah ok! about the explosions you're right if i think better.

but do you think that there were really 2 monsters? actually the "second monster" did look different from the other...

the hell!! this movie is really intriguing!

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There are lots of gas lines, power lines and automobiles with gasoline all over the city. Sparks from destroyed power lines, metal crashing on metal, as the monster travels down the boulevard might spark a few explosions. However, Mythbusters would be happy to show that movie explosions are just that - made for movies. Cars don't really expload like we see in the movies (they have to include extra explosives inside the vehicle to get the effect we see in the movies).

Some planes do recon. Some have already dropped their payload and have turned around to fly over to see if there was damage.

These are my own personal answers to your questions.
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Confused there is ONE monster.

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Also, what might have looked like Fireballs hitting buildings could have been rockets / RPG's from the military that missed.

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ccelo wrote:
ah ok! about the explosions you're right if i think better.

but do you think that there were really 2 monsters? actually the "second monster" did look different from the other...

the hell!! this movie is really intriguing!


Intriguing....?

Oh, and who says the planes couldn't have been going back to bomb the parasites? The monster wasn't posing much of a threat being in a giant open field, so they focused on the parasites for a moment.

So yes, there were two monsters. MGP and the parasites.
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the hell!


But yeah, Oli's got it, there are two monsters in the sense that there are two threats.

Those planes, however, might have been the "Hammerdown" planes...

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tMan930 wrote:
the hell!


But yeah, Oli's got it, there are two monsters in the sense that there are two threats.

Those planes, however, might have been the "Hammerdown" planes...


Maybe, or maybe they were clearing out cause of Hammerdown, like billd25 said.
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Re: questions

billd25 wrote:
I had the same question before about why the planes were ignoring him, someone said maybe they were clearing out for "hammer down". maybe they were out of ammo.

the big explosion was the Tagruato ship (shown at the bridge scene), other explosions were either gas lines or bombing MGP.

Bill


The big explosion was definitely NOT the tanker.
Bolded as this is a common misconception.

1) The explosion was inland. By checking the buildings in front of AND behind the explosion in that scene one can pinpoint the explosion as the small park in front of city hall.

2) Later the tanker is seen on fire, but intact. If the tanker had exploded we'd see nothing but a gutted hulk (on fire) or patches of flaming debris scattered about. It was a huge explosion.

As to what it was exactly, it isn't defined in the movie. My guess is its the military engaging MGP as he steps into an area where they could bomb w/ comparitively minimal civilian casualties. Its an open area as opposed to tightly packed buildings and it's after hours for the municiple buildings there, but that's pure conjecture.
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That explosion looks nothing like any sort of military weapon that could have been delivered that quickly.

From the time we hear about the Tag tanker being tipped over, to the time we see the explosion, it's no more than 5 minutes.

That would have to mean the military indentified the monster as a threat, fueled and loaded at least one aircraft with a full weapons load, flew out to the target area, and dropped some sort of huge bomb on MGP.

NOT LIKELY!

I'm thinking MGP destroyed a gas station, and the fuel lit up in a big fireball. The projectiles that slam into the buildings before the SOL's head are probably barrels full of gasoline.

Yeah, I know, real barrels full of gasoline don't act like a rocket, but you don't see a distant explosion and hear it at the same time IRL, either. Chock it up to movie physics.

The only weapon in the US arsenal that can make an explosion that large is a MOAB. A MOAB can level 9 city blocks, and I doubt even MGP could survive that.

However, the MOAB can only be delivered by a C-130 cargo plane, where it has to be pushed out of the back ramp. The C-130 is a big, relatively slow plane. There's no way a 20,000lb bomb could be loaded into a huge plane, then slowly flown over to the target area, all under the span of 5 minutes. It's just impossible.

Besides, I REALLY don't think the military's first choice for attacking something in a densely populated area would be to hit it with a weapon that can level 9 city blocks!

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MercenaryMuffin wrote:
That explosion looks nothing like any sort of military weapon that could have been delivered that quickly.

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Besides, I REALLY don't think the military's first choice for attacking something in a densely populated area would be to hit it with a weapon that can level 9 city blocks!


A) The US military has known about Clover for a few days at least. They attacked it at sea before it reached the city. Hence the quick response. They were already on alert. (see pictures on 1-18-08.com for evidence)

-- Why didn't they revacuate NY before hand? No evidence on these, but some speculation:
---- They may not have been sure where it would make landfall.
---- The earlier attacks by the military may have been attempts to divert its course. So no need to cause a panic yet.
---- "Excuse me, Mr. Mayor, theres a giant monster heading your way. can you evacuate?.... No sir, I'm not joking.... it's not 'Zilla or C'thulu... We're also fairly sure it's not a lion" *click - dialtone* "Damn.."

B) I agree with you on the size of the explosion. I agree the MOAB wasn't used during the film, although the prevailing wisdom suggests that it was part of (if not all of) the Hammerdown attack.

-- Why that big an explosion? Dramatic effect or secondary reactions are all I can think of.
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Are you SURE those attacks were before the movie? I could have sworn those "attacking the monster" images were taken AFTER it left Manhattan, not before.

Besides, the military guys in the movie sure didn't seem to know about that thing beforehand.

"What is that thing?"
"I don't know. Whatever it is, it's winning."

Besides, if they KNEW this thing was headed for Manhattan, they could have come up with a reason to evac the city, couldn't they? Nothing wrong with a little white lie.

"Mr. Mayor, we have information that a major terrorist attack is about to take place in your city. You need to get everyone out as quickly as possible."

That coulda worked.

I still don't believe they knew about it ahead of time...unless there's some part of the ARG I've missed.

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MercenaryMuffin wrote:
Are you SURE those attacks were before the movie? I could have sworn those "attacking the monster" images were taken AFTER it left Manhattan, not before.


Yes.

The pictures in the order they appeared in the days leading up to the movie/attack.

Collapse of deep sea rig (Chuai)
Attack on tanker in Deep sea
Military retailation on thing at sea
Bloody waters within the fishing range of the shore
Dead sea creatures on shore

Notice something? The pictures are in order, each leading closer to the coast. Note, none of the game sites have any updates or information after the attack. (during, but not after)

MercenaryMuffin wrote:
Besides, the military guys in the movie sure didn't seem to know about that thing beforehand.
"What is that thing?"
"I don't know. Whatever it is, it's winning."


If they'd been fighting it for a week or an hour, I don't think that would have changed that exchange at all. The DON'T know what it is. "A giant monster" is pretty self-evident and obviously not how he wanted to answer the question.

MercenaryMuffin wrote:
Besides, if they KNEW this thing was headed for Manhattan, they could have come up with a reason to evac the city, couldn't they? Nothing wrong with a little white lie.

"Mr. Mayor, we have information that a major terrorist attack is about to take place in your city. You need to get everyone out as quickly as possible."

That coulda worked.


Could've.. but would have made for a less interesting movie. Also, they would have had to claim a terrorist nuke was imminent for that.. which would have caused a panic. Otherwise 'terrorist attack' would only justify evacuating a specific area.

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I still don't believe they knew about it ahead of time...unless there's some part of the ARG I've missed.


The big rush of updates over the last few days of the ARE/G were tension builders as it approached NY. Showing it leaving NY before the movie came out? Give away the end of the movie or any speculation of whether the monster survives? No. It was all the prelude. Just like the characters made their final day of the attack updates on their myspaces/videoblogs on the 18th.
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I may get bitched out for this, by all the PMSing posters, but just to play Devil's Advocate (in a sense)...

it was NEVER confirmed that these pictures are leading up to the attatck.

the concept of time, in relation to the movie, is irrelevant and impossible to explain thanks to the inconsistency between the movie itself and the viral marketing.

While I believe the same thing as you, Animaniac, we have no proof that these pictures are before the attack on May 22nd.

unless someone can show me a date or timestamp on the newer 1-18-08 pictures? right.

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