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[SCC] EniTech - the Gardner Project
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MrToasty
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notgordian wrote:
More proof Skynet is here to stay

OK, that's the second thing I've read mentioning the LHC creating a black hole in the last five minutes. Weird.

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resistor
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 		Actually, the first two parts of my message, I was trying to quote Rift. Only the last sentence was my own words. You misquoted my attempt at a quote!

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MrToasty wrote:
notgordian wrote:
More proof Skynet is here to stay

OK, that's the second thing I've read mentioning the LHC creating a black hole in the last five minutes. Weird.


I guess you're read their scientific commentary on mosquitoes...

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resistor wrote:
Actually, the first two parts of my message, I was trying to quote Rift. Only the last sentence was my own words. You misquoted my attempt at a quote!


Heee! Fixed again!
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 		Thanks, Celina, I didn't want anyone thinking that I stole their idea!
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Rift wrote:
Perhaps it isn't thrilled about the pic showing the newspaper from the future. It did mention a mystery illness and quarantine in San Francisco. Perhaps the T's are to stand down so that their tissue covering isn't compromised by some form of biological warfare. If I were planning to use that form of attack sometime in the future I know I'd be pissed someone uncovered it by snapping a photo.

Funny, I tried to post to point out the newspaper article at the same time as Rift, but I couldn't post from where I was. But my reasoning is more along the lines of "the T's don't like a future where they don't rule the world, a future where humans are alive enough to have newspapers actually mean something."

And I also noticed that the pictures generated by the Gardner Device got progressively more violent. At the start it seemed relatively normal, but soon everything was destruction. If the future plays out with Terminators kicking humanity's ass, wouldn't EVERYTHING be destroyed? This leads me to believe that the reason the Gardner device is seeing all this destruction is because Enitech developed it, used it, and got the Terminator's attention... thus making it so that humanity saw what was coming (so we could prepare) to such an extent that some Terminators were sent back in time to take Enitech out.

That probably makes a lot more sense in my head than it does in this post, but that's my current theory.

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 		Just got two replies from the Resistance. First, my email to them:

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Just thought I'd let you guys know that I'm not compromised. The traitor did list my alias when ratting us out to Skynet but I've never actually made contact with it using this address so all should be well.

At any rate I've had a thought about this [REDCLEAR] Protocol. If it wants all T-series terminators to stand down could it be that the threat Enitech now faces is some kind of Anti-Terminator Terminator? Something more than capable of eliminating humans but with the ability to eliminate any of the "compromised" units Skynet now wants terminated as well. It would make sense I think to have all T-Series units stand down so that it wouldn't have to worry about losing the non-compromised ones in an attack.

Another thought is of one of the earliest photos Enitech developed, the one with the newspaper. It said something about a mystery illness that causes big trouble. Maybe Skynet is trying to employ biological warfare and wants the terminators to stand down so their flesh covering isn't damaged. Or maybe that is what Skynet isn't happy we saw?



The first reply:

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I think the Dyson Trust's work might've been compromised. Anna gave them the disassembled machine after the EMP blast. What if that T-800 was a trojan horse?


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As far as what made SkyNet unhappy...

Could be the newspaper headline. I noticed that it showed the CDC closing hospitals. Reminded me of a plan I had heard rumors of where SkyNet was developing some sort of nano robotic virus to attack humans. But I'm not certain.

But then again, I looked at your NORAD photo. If someone nuked that, it wasn't SkyNet.


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 		The question then is, who would nuke NORAD and why? Could it have been done in an attempt to "pull the plug"?

A nano-robotic virus would be interesting...
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 		FINALLY! I got something right!

Redclear does have to do with the newspaper box photo and the CDC!

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 		I don't know if we're 100% sure about that yet, but I do think that's where the storyline is heading.
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 		Personally I'm thinking it was the picture of the humans still alive and fighting with the artillery. Seems like Skynet wouldn't like seeing they failed at taking everyone out.

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 		That's a viable possibility as well, Squid. I could see how that would irritate Skynet. However, I imagine that they must know of the Resisitance and must be fighting them at full throttle, so seeing that they were battling a Skynet machine shouldn't get them too upset... at least that's what I think.

Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between. Maybe they just don't like that the Resistance exists in our time and is trying to communicate with us and Enitech.

It's difficult to really tell until we get some more information or news out of Enitech.
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 		Just received a reply from the Resistance - I think we have our answer:

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Last I checked before I left, NORAD was their base of operations. If someone nuked it, it wasn't SkyNet.


So that sounds like... someone else, but not the Resistance (or at least, not the Resistance we're in communication now - but perhaps the Resistance that WE form?) nuked NORAD...
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 		Also, if I may get a bit META:

If you've watched tonight's ep, you'll notice:

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Next week is the 2 hour Season Finale - which makes me wonder if we're not heading into End Game pretty quick...

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 		My response to the latest blog post
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I'm actually wondering if it's not the initial set of images that "pre-date" whatever catastrophe is going to be befalling us all in a few years. If you look at images like the Cheyenne Mountain pic and a few others, it's not unreasonable to assume that it has been more than a couple months since the initial devistation. Look closely at the processed Cheyenne Mountain image. There are standing plants and a notable lack of debris in the lowlands that previously housed the military buildings in the unprocessed image.

What if the current series of images isn't just from further into the future than the pre-disaster series, but from a future with a different intervening era? My thought is that wherever (or whenver) the machine that attempted to assassinate various Enitech staff came from, its presence may have shifted the likely course of events between now and the source of the tahcyons with which Gardener images are made. If there is any future that this anti-humanity Skynet would not wish us to see, it's an image that shows how uninevitable the looming megadeaths really are.

There is also the aspect of bidirectional communication between present and future to consider. The Resist signs that provided the model for Project Bluecom did not start appearing until _after_ Enitech made the decision to build and maintain a vaulted archive. It is my conjecture that the signs are a response to present-day events and interaction wasn't possible until the decision had been made. Otherwise, one of the early post-disaster images would have had a sign saying something like "ARCHIVE EVERYTHING! Future-to-past communication is dependent on good record-keeping." or the equivalent.

It is my conjecture that these resistance members are themselves the product of whatever responses we in the present are having to this possible physical incursion from the future. Seriously, AI researchers seem like the kind of people who would be most likely to die in a nuclear bombardment of every major city on Earth. How many serious researchers do you know of who currently live in hardened bunkers (that _aren't_ underneath Cheyenne Mountain)?

So, my guess is the earliest pictures, as they are do not appear to be part of the sequence of events that lead to a mostly-settled (not still-on-fire, for example) postapocalyptic future. Research into events surrounding those dates and possible ramifications of events occurring when the pictures were taken may lead us to a method of preventing the observed holocaust.


I am personally favoring the "evolving timeline" theory here. The Resistance seems to be favoring the newspaper, though. How would the various Resistance teams feel about being turned from time travelers into exceedingly unlikely events that look like people with false memories of the future?
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