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[PUZZLE: ILB.com] Poem Anagram Puzzles?

**Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:33 pm

drizjr · Unfictologist Joined: 28 Nov 2003 Posts: 1700

Oh, these "Hive-Kus" ?

**Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:02 pm

CorSorei

hy ku - a peom consisting of three lines following a pattern of 5/7/5 sylables in each line respectively.

The last two follow this pattern, however in the first "hive-ku" if you seperate it into sylables it looks like this, "sin-gle clo-ver flow-er". Now I don't know, but that looks like six sylables to me. Now this could mean something and it could not I don't know yet. I just thought I'd mention it in case no one else has. Maybe a better mind (or one less burned out than mine) can figure out.

**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:04 am

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**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:16 am

CorSorei

Could be a dumb poet I guess. Or it could be someone who is really bad at site design/upkeep. Or it could mean something (probably not), but just maybe . I mean really, you have been running a site for 7 years and you didn't notice this, and no one pointed it out to you? Then again I've been reading this for the past couple of days and reading the Halo novels again. Before you ask, started reading before I found out about this whole life-sucking ordeal. I'm even starting to dream about this whole Halo universe, and I don't dream!

**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:20 am

devjoe · Boot Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 21

Some people pronounce "flower" as one syllable.
See the M-W.com entry, which recognizes this pronunciation. Note that the parenthesized part of the pronunciation, including the syllable break, is optional.

**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:23 pm

aliendial

I think these haiku suffer from the same problem as our other big anagram -- so many letters that almost anything is possible. I would expect a useful anagram to be much shorter. Unless maybe you anagram each line independently?

Also just a note, we learned (to my surprise) in some earlier game that proper haiku are not only in 5-7-5 patterns. Don't recall exactly, but I think there are some other accepted patterns. It's just the 5-7-5 form is what we learn about in school.

**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:37 pm

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5-7-5 is only relevant in the original Japanese, because English sentence structure is different, you can alter it slightly, as long as you keep the short-long-short pattern

**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:59 pm

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CorSorei

I'll grant that flower could be excepted as a single sylable, but my dictionary didn't show it as such. It did however show that "single" could be pronounced as a single sylable. What I did was take the sylable count from the version which seemed relavant.
"sin-gle; alone, unique, solitary, particular"
"clo-ver; any of a genus of leguminous herbs, usually with 3 leaves and dense flower"
"flow-er; a plant branch modified for seed production and bearing leaves specialized into floral organs"
source: The New Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So in a sense that first line could have 4 - 6 sylables depending on how you look at it. I just thought that it was unusual, that all. Thanks for the different view on the subject though, it much apperciated.

edit: According to the same source, a haiku is a japanese poem usually consisting of a 5/7/5 sylable pattern. I guess I should have checked that first. Thanks to those that pointed that out as well.

**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:22 pm

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cpip · Veteran Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 109 Location: KY

Okay, getting silly -- has anyone considered translating those BACK into Japanese? Wink

**Posted:** Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:36 pm

Noir · Boot Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 47

**Posted:** Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:44 am

Kallelin · Boot Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 16

Well...

**Posted:** Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:57 am

Kallelin · Boot Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 16

This is gonna take forever. Twenty minutes and I'm at a tiny fraction of a percent. For those who wanna try it out, I got my programs here just now.

http://www.anagrammy.com/resources/generators.html

It seems like Anagram Artist (which is free) is workable if you mostly want to use your mind, and Anagram Genius (which has a free trial) would be good if you had a super rig and wanted it to do all the work. But it's gonna take a while.

**Posted:** Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:19 am

Cyphex · Boot Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 12

Is there any info about these Hive-Ku's on the Wiki? I had a search but could not find anything.

If not, should'nt they be added as a possible unsolved puzzle?

**Posted:** Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:35 am

Kallelin · Boot Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 16

I gotta tell you, from what I'm seeing there's like infinite numbers of anagrams no matter how you go about it- line by line or Haiku by Haiku. I could try them all at once, but by the time it was finished the damn thing would have metastasized.

I doesn't seem like we're gonna get anything going down this path. I think the original speculators were right to assume that this area was relatively uncorrupted.

**Posted:** Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:04 pm