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[djsampson]

Toto

[aliendial]

Where does this come from as an ARG reference?

[djsampson]

I can't post any reference to it right now because of certain circumstances. But it has become a regular reference word lately.

It will catch on!

Its kinda got that zing to it!

[Phaedra]

Instead of trying to get words to catch on, and making our community "culture" harder than ever for newcomers to join, why don't we just define the words that already have caught on?

The whole point of a glossary is to define words, not create them, yes?

Why make up a new word when existing words that people already understand will do the same job?

Why call someone a "toto" -- a reference which will have to be explained to anyone who wasn't there at its inception -- when a term like "PM hunter" will do -- which uses jargon that's already heavily in currency (until recently, there was a wikipedia entry for "puppetmaster"), and a normal English word?

Jargon is only desirable when it concisely describes a concept for which there isn't already a satisfactory word in common usage. (I.e. "people who run alternate reality games" is unwieldy, hence it's a good idea to have a one-word term for it.)

I think it makes a lot more sense for a reference section like this to be descriptive rather than prescriptive.

[catherwood]

[djsampson]

Sorry, I didn't know it was such a big deal. It only seemed logical to use a term that has been around for nearly 70 years. We use drawing back the curtain as a reference to the Wizard of OZ and the exposing of someone running the show. Hence the one who drew back the curtain was a dog named Toto.

It only made sense to explain a term which everyone can relate to. If anybody hasn't seen The Wizard of OZ then I apologize to them. But with relation to ARG terms there are a lot of references to Alice N Wonderland, as well as The Wizard of Oz.

So it is fine with me if no one uses this term or it is not accepted in this community. But it makes more sense then some of the random terminology used in this glossary.

If you don't like the Term then remove it. I Just thought it would be a good term for future reference, since there is no term that references this in UF's Glossary.

[yanka]

I thought that all the curtain/puppetmaster terms came from the Beast PMs collectively calling themselves Geppetto, and had nothing to do with the Wizard of Oz.

[MageSteff]

[Bakers_12]

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[SirQuady]

Rabbit-Hole also has the whole connection to The Matrix, which in itself is a refrence to Alice in Wonderland, but I alway suspected the popularity of the term in the ARG community was more related to the Matrix than to Alice in Wonderland.

That said, I agree that the glossary needs to be descriptive, not proscriptive. I remember being a n00b at ARGs and being so lost on the jargon...so don't add more jargon!

kthxbai.

[krystyn]

As someone who's been around for a little while, I can say that the term "rabbithole" has more directly been an Alice reference than the Matrix, for me.

Which is sorta funny, considering the games I've worked on ...

[SirQuady]

Yeah, that's sort of what i was thinking of.

I take it then that the phrase had it's origins before Metacortex/chs?

[SpaceBass]