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Qvist
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Mirkomick wrote:
Qvist wrote:
Taurec wrote:
Try changing your keyboard layout (on the software site)


How do you mean that? What do I have to do?


If the service for the english layout is already installed at your system (I guess it is standard) then you have to press leftalt+shift to change between your standard keyboard setting and the english one.

If not you have to visit your system settings, go to the region settings and search the page to install the english layout service (Sorry, I don't know the english descriptions of the page so you have to search for yourself a little there)


Ok, then I've understood you right. But I've done that already before. No change. The pseudo-console has it's own keyboard settings.

Btw. (trout me if it was mentioned before) new command: agonothetai
Quote:
Please authenticate agonothetai.
ID required: agonocode and biostat


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Mirkomick wrote:

****Edit*** More thoughts......

Eli described the situation in his 3rd podcast in the following

Imagine you wake up in ancient greece only with a bow and arrow, would you find your way (or something like this)

Now, our amnesiacs dont wake up with bow and arrow, but blindfolded...
Is any of the zodiacs blind? If yes this would be our rough direction

The 1888 amnesiac remembered the 500number and used this as the stadion number, so 696 is our lenght....

Am I going insane?


What he said was that you are by a stone that had a bow and arrow carved on it with some numbers. Using the information, could you find your way? And the answer was, if you knew the code, you could.

There is not, as far as I know, a blind sign of the Zodiac. Though there's probably a constellation somewhere somewhere in the sky that is.
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mr.judkins wrote:
On a side note to the agonothetai codes, I was thinking that perhaps each red dot corresponds to a location that the Olympics have been held at - which corresponds with the locations listed by year in the DOCS folder...

Which would put the one spotted Green dot actually in Montreal (closest possible location).

Would be much easier to draw links between them if the appearance of the dots was consistent...


Let's talk about this a bit more and do some spec...

First, when looking at the documents, notice that the file names are all years. When it was just the winter games, the file names are every four years, when it started having summer games, it used every two years.

The internal structure of the file is such:
*2004.INF
000.000.000.001 - XXVIII, Athens OMPH FALSE
*2006.INF
000.000.000.001 - XX, Turin, OMPH FALSE

The roman numeral indicates the year of the games, and then the City.
So in 2004, it was the 28th Summer Games in Athens, whereas in 2006 it was the 20th Winter Games held in Turin -- in case you were missing why the roman numbers weren't sequential.

When you use the CODEX command, you get the following:
Currently transmitting omphalos navigation sites...
Green = active navigation site.
Red = pending navigation site.
Enter active navigation site for codex location.

It explains to us what the dots are that we are seeing. They represent ompalos sites. We've seen both green and red. So somehow some are already active, whereas others have been identified as pending. Still others are totally white.

It also appears that's it's asking us to 'enter the active navigation site' to get the codex location, instructing us what to do next.

Now, on one of the files where the OMPH was active we see
*1920.INF
000.000.000.001 - VII, Antwerp, OMPH STRENGTH 11.3%

I would spec that OMPH= Omphalos, and there is a cross reference between the files and the codex display.

Yet, as we can see by the number of dots, there are way more of them than there were of the Olympic Games. So in addition to the games, what else do we have?

Something to chew on for discussion.

.W.




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 		zodiac compass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac

we only need to figure out which Greek God is associated with which sign.
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 		the Olympians
http://www.mythweb.com/gods/index.html

Ibet these are the ones we have to associate.
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 		Re: the Olympians
Kelis wrote:
http://www.mythweb.com/gods/index.html

Ibet these are the ones we have to associate.


Trout

This is being discussed in another thread.
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 		Re: the Olympians
ariock wrote:
Kelis wrote:
http://www.mythweb.com/gods/index.html

Ibet these are the ones we have to associate.


Trout

This is being discussed in another thread.


Dunno if it's obvious that the trout is also a link *to* that thread since its a graphic.. I almost missed it..

As opposed to:

Trout already being discussed here

..which should make it easier for him to find it. Smile

.W.[/url]

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Weezel wrote:
Now, on one of the files where the OMPH was active we see
*1920.INF
000.000.000.001 - VII, Antwerp, OMPH STRENGTH 11.3%

I would spec that OMPH= Omphalos, and there is a cross reference between the files and the codex display.

Yet, as we can see by the number of dots, there are way more of them than there were of the Olympic Games. So in addition to the games, what else do we have?

Something to chew on for discussion.

.W.

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Post 1932, the OMPH STRENGTH starts equalling FALSE constantly. In addition, 1920 is the highest value for OMPH STRENGTH that we're given (11.3% in Antwerp, Belgium).


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Assuming that Weezel in right in thinking that OMPH means omphalos, I'd speculate that the active omphalos was closest to the location of the Olympics in 1920, in Belgium, and from then on, the Olympics and the active omphalos moved further and further away from each other (or the 'strength' of the active omphalos lessened and lessened) until some catastrophic event in 1932 that possibly caused no omphalos to be active anymore. I'd think, that if the strength of the active omphalos has lessened or the distance to the Olympics had grown to the degree that the omphalos had little to no effect on the Olympics, then we should see an OMPH STRENGTH value approaching 0.0%, shouldn't we? Instead, we find a FALSE.

So, in any case, I definitely think that some bad happened in 1932 that has a serious effect on the active omphalos to change the str4ength from approaching 0.0% to straight FALSE. Or maybe this is just the mathy in me getting picky Razz But I still think it's something worth considering.

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PS: If typing the SOPHROSUNE696/7.1/56 and the like for all six doesn't authenticate the agonothetai (and typing FIND after entering all six biostats shows us that it doesn't), I wonder what it did do? Nothing seems to have changed... Unless, did the green dots start showing up for people when they started entering the biostats?

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 		I apologize if this is stupid, but I just got a job (yay!) so I've been trying to catch up the last two days.

In the trailhead thread when were talking about these IDs, someone mentioned the correlation between the number 696 and the olympiad year. I'm thinking with this site, are we activating the agothenai or is it a tracker? I'm leaning toward tracker. Anyway, if that is the case, could we change the number to represent a different agothenai/athlete from another olympics? If we've got six people representing the 6 attributes and some more that had a similar story years ago, it would make sense the same would apply to them... only their code would just have a different number after it. In that case the site would say they are inactive perhaps?

again, I apologize if this makes no sense or if im missing huge chunks of info here. Just got up and was at work till 3 am.

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 		Running with this bit from Eli's Confession video:
Quote:
The Greeks believed that during religious rituals an omphalos could serve as a portal into the world of the Gods. So they installed an omphalos at every major temple throughout the Hellenic world in order for for their oracles to receive visions from the Gods.

Some Spec on a more extra-worldly line of thought.

We've got the OMPH. I did a Google search on "Greek omph", and found hit on Google Book search:
http://tinyurl.com/2xwmjc
Look to page 26.
Quote:
Hesychius "interprets the word OMPH (as in omphalos) to be theia cheldon, the sacred voice, the holy sound", and hence the omphalos is the place where this creative sound is made.


What if there is supposed to be some measure of connection to the divine, and the % we are seeing is how strong this connection is? As the Olympics as we know them were resumed in 1896, the Greek gods began paying attention again (they were entertained), and the connection was restored. But something happened to sever that connection (war? natural disaster? some unknown event?)

EDIT - shrunk long url ~ myf

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it says something about agono code and biometrics
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Avatrix wrote:
What if there is supposed to be some measure of connection to the divine, and the % we are seeing is how strong this connection is? As the Olympics as we know them were resumed in 1896, the Greek gods began paying attention again (they were entertained), and the connection was restored. But something happened to sever that connection (war? natural disaster? some unknown event?)


[SPEC]
1920 is the year were something happened and the OMPH % begun to drop. The reason could have been that the ring was lost (perhaps the sixth olympic ring or another ring).

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HitsHerMark wrote:
Mirkomick wrote:

****Edit*** More thoughts......

Eli described the situation in his 3rd podcast in the following

Imagine you wake up in ancient greece only with a bow and arrow, would you find your way (or something like this)

Now, our amnesiacs dont wake up with bow and arrow, but blindfolded...
Is any of the zodiacs blind? If yes this would be our rough direction


What he said was that you are by a stone that had a bow and arrow carved on it with some numbers. Using the information, could you find your way? And the answer was, if you knew the code, you could.

There is not, as far as I know, a blind sign of the Zodiac. Though there's probably a constellation somewhere somewhere in the sky that is.

Found this:
"Orion got in trouble repeatedly over women. One time in he fell for Merope, the daughter of King Oenopion. He wooed her without success. Then one day after he had had too much wine, he stumbled off and tried to take the lady by force. For this the king had Orion blinded and banished from his realm. In his blind state Orion sought the aid of Hephaestus, the God of the Forge, and eventually his sight was restored by the healing rays of the rising sun."

Orion was killed by an arrow...

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 		Since they weren't given anything even resembling an Omphalos code when they woke up, I think it would be a stretch to look for a blind constellation for a direction, especially since the code is set up so that it isn't meaningful to mention a constellation that isn't part of the Zodiac.

Does it strike anyone else as odd that the (IG) ancient Greeks would use the Zodiac to navigate? The Zodiac moves across the sky, but cities stay put. I can imagine directions saying "go 30 degrees east from due north" but not of the moving Zodiac constellations. Perhaps Hunt is mistaken that they literally used the Zodiac to navigate, instead using other means to find due north (maybe the North Star?) and then splitting their "compass" into 12 "slices" and associating them with their Gods and the Zodiac?

Also isn't navigating using degrees a stretch for someone without scientific instruments to calculate them? Even if you found due north using Polaris or something, a mistake of a degree or two could put you off course enough to get lost. While I think it's probably possible if they had some sort of scientific equipment like a sextant or something, I'm skeptical of the claim the layperson could get to civilization if they found themselves lost with only an Omphalos code coordinate to tell them where they are.

Of course, maybe that's why the athletes in the Lost Game had to learn orienteering...

~Hikaro

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