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thebruce
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 		3788km from Stephenville, NL is Stuartfield, Scotland - yes, the place of Jorge, in Monica's uncle's story!


Only problem is google earth shows a 54 degree angle at that distance... could scorpio be 30 degrees? or are we missing something? Or is this just some crazy, ridiculous coincidence? o_O
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Trustiva
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 		Re: w00tz
Ranger D wrote:
Jackpot baby!

I took a bunch of screenshots of the spinning globe so I could really try and pin down where that damn green dot on the globe was. I had isolated it to Nova Scotia, along the western edge. So I started typing in single word names of the cites.


Wooho!

But that's actually not Nova Scotia but Newfoundland, CAN. The other green dot seems to be in Newfoundland as well.

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Ranger D
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Trustiva wrote:


Wooho!

But that's actually not Nova Scotia but Newfoundland, CAN. The other green dot seems to be in Newfoundland as well.


That's what I meant, my brain is fried from being up late.
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Banana9
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 		Just noticed the distances i previously calculated were in miles and not km Embarassed guess it's back to the math Confused


Using both Stephenville and Stuartfield coords on each city site and http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm , it seems the distance is pretty much accurate. Also tried to check for cardiff distance but it's around 3900km so guess that's not an option Smile

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Tenchizard
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thebruce wrote:

Only problem is google earth shows a 54 degree angle at that distance... could scorpio be 30 degrees? or are we missing something? Or is this just some crazy, ridiculous coincidence? o_O


In the video, Hunt said Virgo was north, so Scorpio must be 60 degrees... I've tried drawing lines and angles in googlemaps but I have got lots of weird locations like bwlchnewydd (try saying that twice... well, try saying that once)

By the way, maybe some other math genius can get the real distances using this: http://www.visualtrig.com/Default.aspx it has some basic online tools for trigonometry

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Troag Lee
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Location: Norway

 		FYI
Stretching the ruler in google earth from Stephenville, straight through Stuartfield, and then the same distance in the opposite direction (ca 3800 km) brings us to Armenia. Close to the capital Yerevan.

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kosmopol
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 		Great, Ranger D!

OK, just a wild speculation:

the thing is, when Stephenville does work, so perhaps we need
1) to make a map of Greek omphaloi
2) to transfere it onto the world map,

because I recall the 3rd podcast of Hunt, where he said:

Quote:
Curiously, by retracing these coded navigation routes,
historians have found something very unusual in the layout of the omphalos network.
Somehow, the Greeks managed to construct their omphaloi
of the center nodes of a system of perfectly equidistant destinations.
For every destination in one direction,
you could travel exactly the same distance in another direction,
and arrive at an important site.


It does mean, the one omphaloi system is universal.

Trout me, if it was said here previously.

BTW, I've started a Global Omph map on google earth, if oyu dodn't mind
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=109759884955634556248.0004484f0e0f18990dfcd
so we can entry there the omphs locations.

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Troag Lee
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 		Stretching the ruler in google earth the other way, from Stuartfield, straight through Stephenville, and then the same distance in the opposite direction (ca 3800 km) brings us to the Gulf of Mexico. Nothing there.

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Tenchizard
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 		I'm beginning to think there's no point entering more cities on the secret page untill the dots turn any color there. From Stephenville I keep reaching the area around Wexford, Ireland, and from Stuarfield I get to Arbroath.
Here's a link to a map to see my calculations:
Map

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AUZ505
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 		I have a general question: When do those dots appear? Actually I have a globe with no red or green dots at all. Yesterday I had one or two green dots.

Do I just have to wait some time or will they only appear after i activated some of the agonothetai?

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Troag Lee
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AUZ505 wrote:
I have a general question: When do those dots appear? Actually I have a globe with no red or green dots at all. Yesterday I had one or two green dots.

Do I just have to wait some time or will they only appear after i activated some of the agonothetai?


They seem to appear randomly. I've tried to refresh the page several times to look for patterns, but I have not seen any. Dunno.

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chippy
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 		by the way, the earth is a spheroid, and most likely, any angle of a straight line on a flat map (google maps) is going to be off, depending on the projection of said flat map. In some cases, the distance is accurate, but the angle will be off, in others, bearings are correct, and distances are wrong.
Great circles, sea navigation techniques etc, and getting the right projection is important.
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(pic below was a rough estimate, but it measures the distance from one point to the other over the globe. The bearing / angle is probably wrong. Bearing is determined by where North is, as the globe is projected onto a flat map, the angle to north, and the corresponding bearing from a-b is different)
Projections are confusing Smile
oh, and Google Maps is in Spherical Mercator projection
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AUZ505
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chippy wrote:
by the way, the earth is a spheroid, and most likely, any angle of a straight line on a flat map (google maps) is going to be off, depending on the projection of said flat map. In some cases, the distance is accurate, but the angle will be off, in others, bearings are correct, and distances are wrong.
Great circles, sea navigation techniques etc, and getting the right projection is important.

(pic below was a rough estimate)


Yes, that is exactly the problem. I tried simple "flat" trigonometry, like travelling 3765,63 km straight west and then 395,78 straight north. On a flat world that would exactly the same like travelling the needed 3787,38 with 86 degree heading.
But on a sphere this does not hold anymore. So "Thales" does not work!
On a sphere you can even have a triangle with 90 degree at each corner Smile

Still have not found a tool that really helps in this task.

BTW. I am not sure how accurate everything is. I tried to make the example of the Eli Podcast (travelling from Delphi to Thebes by travelling 100 km straight east) but Thebes lies not directly east of Delphi!?

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kosmopol
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 		Stephenville
I ask me, why Stephenville?
I mean, after reading about this town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenville%2C_Newfoundland_and_Labrador) I couldn't find any clues about it.

And then, why "Omphalos 1 identified". What does mean the number?
- Omphalos No. 1? - in that case Stephenville (aka Acadian Village) would have some global signification that I couldn't find out yet.
- 1st Omphalos from the series? - would mean, this is just the first omphalos, and after typing in the other omphalos there would something be activated.

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Mogeee
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 		Traveling from Stephenville
Two thoughts:
(1) our instructions are 20478 scorpio 24, which means 24 degrees past scorpio or 84 degrees from due north or 6 degrees north of due east, for a distance of roughly 3,786.38 km (for Stadion=184.9) or 3,788.43 (for stadion=185 m) -- don't know which to use. Either way, if we know that Stephenville is at 48 degrees 32 minutes north, then shouldn't our destination be at 54 degrees 32 minutes north? If so, our location is somewhere around the northwest coast of the UK, ca. Whitehaven.

(2) Even if we do find the correct city, we won't necessarily get confirmation from the secret page. It only responds to entering the place names of omphaloi locations, and we don't know that the destination contains an omphalos, only that something happens there. Figuring out what would help.

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