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Ranger D
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Using an angle generator I found here, and I was able to slap together a rough estimate of where the Stephenville omphalos points to.

This is a six degree angle (or 84 degrees from north) and I used google maps so we don't have to deal with curving arcs and all that. The distance of 3788km should put that somewhere in Wales.


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no the problem though is that one navigating by the omphalos won't have a flat map of the earth. If they're in Stephenville, they can face 24 degrees off scorpio, and continue in that direction for 3788km. Thus ending up near Stuartfield.
I say near because we're not sure the excact number to use, and positioning of the source/destination is key. a couple kilometers could be a different town/city.

But the connection to Stuartfield is just too uncanny...
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I Sent an email to Ariadne suggesting that there might be something to see in Arbroath. Specifically at the Sport Centre that looks to be near the intersection of the circle from Stephenville and 110 km from Stuartsfield. This was her response:

Ariadne wrote:
wow, that's really helpful... but I'm really not anywhere near arbroath... if something pops up in or near cardiff though let me know!! i will totally go check it out.


That circle from Stephenville also goes through Wales...not really far from Cardiff. What might be there? Has anyone figured out the angle?
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FMG
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ariock wrote:
FMG wrote:
I'm getting a green dot near what I think are the great lakes... my guess is near Winnipeg, but I'm not sure.


That's the one rangerd found in Newfoundland.

RE:EDIT: Making a new post so this info isn't buried...


Are you sure? I thought that the blue dots represent the polar area and the white ones lights, if so, that green dot can't be Newfoundland Confused

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FMG wrote:
ariock wrote:
FMG wrote:
I'm getting a green dot near what I think are the great lakes... my guess is near Winnipeg, but I'm not sure.


That's the one rangerd found in Newfoundland.

RE:EDIT: Making a new post so this info isn't buried...


Are you sure? I thought that the blue dots represent the polar area and the white ones lights, if so, that green dot can't be Newfoundland Confused


Pretty sure. The green dot is at the top of a line running along the Atlantic coast of North America from Florida on up (reversed in your screen shot). That would correspond to somewhere northeast of Maine.
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Ranger D
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Ariadne emailed me about the site:

Ariadne wrote:
I'm sitting here playing with the site trying all kinds of possibilities, to figure out where the stephenville omphalos code is pointing us to.

a bunch of people wrote to tell me that the code seems to point from stephenville to wales, which is weird, because that's where i am.

i'm sure it doesn't know that...right??

anyway, if we get any more information about what the code is pointing to, and how to get the site to understand that we've figure out where it's pointing to... well, i'm here and can help tonight, or tomorrow... whenever we figure it out.

ariande


She's sill in Wales.

/me breaks out his The Dark is Rising books again and continues to try to enter crazy Welsh towns
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Ok, so I've spent another hour trying to discover where is the omphalos at stephenville trying to take us, and I have two theories:

1- The Scorpio 24 angle is to be taken on a flat map, leading us towards the UK, like many people have stated before

2- The Scorpio 24 angle is to be taken on a true globe, doing heavy math and using true navigation methods. In that case, it takes us right into the ocean, more or less this coordinates: 41.12N 10.49W

If anyone else wants to try his hand at this, here are the tools I've been using for theory 2:
with this you can find a point given an origin, a course (the angle) and a distance
with this you can draw a line from one point to other and get a googlemap automatically

and now, I'm out of ideas...

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Loxodromes vs. Great Circles

After trying this a few ways, I wonder if we've got the Scorpio direction wrong. Here's why I posit this: We have at least an intuition that this omphalos jump should end up in the British Isles. A Great Circle path originating at Stephenville with an initial bearing of 84 degrees cannot end up there (rather it gets rather close. but falls short of the coast of Portugal over the specified distance as other posters have specified). However, a Great Circle path originating at Stephenville with an initial bearing of 54 degrees at the specified distance lands you at a spot a ways southwest of Aberdeen, Scotland.

Perhaps Scorpio specifies 30 degrees from North rather than 60 degrees?


A side note: I specify an initial bearing above because Great Circle paths constantly change their bearing in order to trace that shortest distance between two points on the surface of the Earth (as previous posters have indicated). A pathway of constant bearing is known as a rhumb line or loxodrome. These look like straight lines on a Mercator projected map (like RangerD's Google Maps map above) but on the surface of the Earth they actually follow a pathway that is curved with respect to what we see from our perspective as the plane of the surface (in addition to following the curvature of the Earth, as any pathway on the surface must ... there are no truly straight lines on the surface of a sphere/spheroid/geoid ... but a Great Circle pathway is a close to a straight line as one can draw between two points on the surface of the Earth, because it is a straight line with respect to what we see as the plane of the surface) ). The difference between the two is insignificant locally, but quite important over longer distances. By my estimation, a rhumb line of ~4000km in length that starts at Stephenville on a constant bearing of 54 or 84 degrees falls a bit short of getting across the Atlantic Ocean and onto dry land.

EDIT - In the spirit of completeness, I gave a rough shot at all 12 possible positions for Scorpio using the Great Circle method, with the following (approximate) results of note (the others being far from anything but more Atlantic Ocean):

Code:
Offset  Initial Bearing  Location

180         204          Ocean, south of Hispaniola
210         234          Ocean, in the Gulf of Mexico
240         264          In the vicinity of Amarillo, Texas
270         294          In the vicinity of Brooks, Alberta
300         324          Permafrost, North West Territories
330         354          Far North, Ellesmere Island


EDIT II - Hmm, not as short as I thought in the first instance, measuring along a loxodrome is tricky business

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Ariadne wrote:

a bunch of people wrote to tell me that the code seems to point from stephenville to wales, which is weird, because that's where i am.

i'm sure it doesn't know that...right??


It's never weird if its a potential clue... maybe it does know where she is...

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Where E X A C T L Y is Ariadne? Maybe that could help.

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Just had an idea of why some are red and some are green. Perhaps they are sequential. For example, the omph at Stuartville cannot encompass the one at Dongying. There will have to be points in between. Just like traveling from point A - B - C, we need to activate them in the order. So since we have 1, we're looking to activate 2.

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Still unidentified is the red dot around Denmark.

However, I had two very distinct red dots at approximately the same location. What's up with that?? I am attaching a screencap with them circled -- you'll have to trust me that these are around Denmark -- it's hard to tell without the full globe movement. Smile

EDIT: No one is probably still reading this, but I wanted to add a bit of screencap showing the same phenomenon -- two distinct red dots -- at the India location (again, trust me!).
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I tried a bunch of Danish cities at about the same level of zoom that Stephenville shows up at. But with an english keyboard. So either I missed the city or I need the keyboard. (Or both. Laughing ) Need a way to copy/paste onto the command line.
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FMG wrote:

Are you sure? I thought that the blue dots represent the polar area and the white ones lights, if so, that green dot can't be Newfoundland Confused


The blue dots also don't come in an out.. they are fixed.. it's not just the polar caps but there are shades of continents there. I'm trying to get a clear glance at some with screenshots, and I think I've identified Australia....

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dots

could the dots mark where aour athlets are currently located?

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