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[RING][PUZZLE]Eli Hunt/Secret site
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 		Right... I've started looking at potentially significant sites in Wales at approximately our distance from Stephenville... the only two of interest which have come up so far are "The World's Largest Garden Maze" and the Great Orme Copper Mines.

Probably nothing here, but looking up the copper mine I recognised some copper jewelery with a similar look to Renata's necklace...

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 		Degrees of the Zodiac
I believe this to be the correct numbering.
I found an image that looks EXACTLY like the one that was used by Eli Hunt. I've modified it to show th degrees for each of the zodiac signs.

Also, Somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, (sorry, I can't remember who) that maybe the directions are to navigate TO Stephenville. If that's the case, we need to take the back azimuth by adding 180 degrees and see where that takes us.

Here is my modified image.

*EDIT*

What I mean to say is, suppose we are standing at an Omphalos and wanted to go to Stephenville, according to Eli Hunt's description, the Omphalos would have a tablet that had the names of places and the directions. We've been assuming that Stephenville is the site of an Omphalos. Maybe it's a location to which Omphalos 1 points? To reverse your course, add 180 degrees.

*EDIT 2*

Who would have guessed Army Orienteering would come in handy in the real world. Smile
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 		someone asked this already i think, but are we really logged in when we type in the stats? it just says "____ is active," so should we keep looking for some other type of code or stat to enter?

i can't get ANY green dots on the "secret" site, i've only red dots since yesterday night. :/ Do we know exactly how many green dots we need to find, since finding the green dots and entering all of them might activate the "pending" ones?

And I still cannot figure out what the "Manual" is for.

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jaeneul wrote:
i can't get ANY green dots on the "secret" site, i've only red dots


I thought about this too since I can never seem to see green ones. It does seem however that the red ones change. I imagine, there are only two states, on = green or off = red. I imagine that if we can nail down the locations of the red dots, we can assume that if it's not red, it's green.

Once we figure out the meaning of the message from the first one, I thing we'll probably have to enter them in the correct order to activate them all.
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 		Re: Degrees of the Zodiac
I believe this to be the correct numbering.
Kelis wrote:
I found an image that looks EXACTLY like the one that was used by Eli Hunt. I've modified it to show th degrees for each of the zodiac signs.)


At the same time you were doing that, I was trying to get myself a compass rose from the same image. *laugh* What I did was take the image and draw my intersections. This allowed me to 'place' the 'compass' on top of a known location, center it, and get a rough angle to the next destination. Though I like yours with the actual angle degrees on it.. Maybe I'll update mine.

I then took it and overlayed it onto the omph example map from the podcast, going from Delphi to Thebes and confirmed that it worked as expected.

Next, I took a Google Map of Stephenville, centered the compass on it, and scaled it outwards (centered on Stephenville), giving me the rough 30 degree arc of Scorpio. Since it was 24 degrees, that meant 24 past Scorpio or 6 above Sag.

Finally, I used the ruler in Photoshop to measure the scale of the google map 500km, then drew out a ruler measurement that was 6 degrees above Sag. and 3788km long... Notice where that puts the final point, closer to Birmingham..

I'm going to look for some towns in that area as soon as I put my twins to bed... they were due 30 minutes ago, but I didn't want to let Photoshop and this train of thought go...

This is based on a straight line, not a rhumb line as xnbomb discussed previously.
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 		That globe makes more than just my head spin.
Which Dongying was it that sapagoo found?
Do we have coordinates?
There are several in China and I'm just trying to do some measuring with this site to see if it's coming out anywhere near factors of 110km or in roughly "even" kilometers. Incidentally, it reports 3,799.9 km for Stephenville to Stuartfield.
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 		Re: Degrees of the Zodiac
I believe this to be the correct numbering.
Kelis wrote:

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Also, Somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, (sorry, I can't remember who) that maybe the directions are to navigate TO Stephenville. If that's the case, we need to take the back azimuth by adding 180 degrees and see where that takes us.

What I mean to say is, suppose we are standing at an Omphalos and wanted to go to Stephenville, according to Eli Hunt's description, the Omphalos would have a tablet that had the names of places and the directions. We've been assuming that Stephenville is the site of an Omphalos. Maybe it's a location to which Omphalos 1 points? To reverse your course, add 180 degrees.

Who would have guessed Army Orienteering would come in handy in the real world. Smile


That is unfortunately not true for great circles. You can easily test it at the Great Circle Calculator (link posted already several times). Go from A to B with Course C and distance D. If you now go from B with Course C+180 degree and distance D you will not come up in A again.

That's the reason why I always hope that the army won't hit my house due to a calculation error (because missiles travel at Great circles) Smile

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 		Re: Degrees of the Zodiac
I believe this to be the correct numbering.
Weezel wrote:

This is based on a straight line, not a rhumb line as xnbomb discussed previously.
.W.


Sorry, too stress this out again, but I think it is important. If this is based on "straight lines" (meaning great circles) you would end up near portugal and not in the UK. I think your images are based on flat maps which would lead to rhumb lines on a sphere.

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 		Re: Degrees of the Zodiac
I believe this to be the correct numbering.
AUZ505 wrote:
That's the reason why I always hope that the army won't hit my house due to a calculation error (because missiles travel at Great circles) Smile


Unfortunately, the Army still uses flat maps, so... you're screwed! Laughing
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 		Re: Degrees of the Zodiac
I believe this to be the correct numbering.
AUZ505 wrote:
Weezel wrote:

This is based on a straight line, not a rhumb line as xnbomb discussed previously.
.W.


Sorry, too stress this out again, but I think it is important. If this is based on "straight lines" (meaning great circles) you would end up near portugal and not in the UK. I think your images are based on flat maps which would lead to rhumb lines on a sphere.


Gotcha, so the rhumb line is already taking that into consideration... is that why on large flat maps you're actually seeing "slices" to take that into consideration?

I also realized that my image is too general to be exact, because at the distances we're talking, if I didn't center it exactly correct, you would be off quite a bit over 3700km.... it just puts it in the ballpark..

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 		Correct Distance?
Hunt mentions that the Ancient Greeks measured in Stadia. One Stadia is 184.9 meters. By modern standards, we measure a stadia to be 185 meters. What if we're off by .1 meter? That's a difference of 2047.8 meters, we could be looking at the wrong place still.
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 		If you receive data ...
Had a new idea as I remembered "If you receive data look at Delphi"

Could the code from the secret page be seen as receiving data? ISo I tried the omphalos code "20428 Scorpio 24" with Delphi as starting point, but without sucess. I ended up nowhere in Afganistan (with great circle and with rhumb line).

Going in the opposite direction (great circel heading 264 degree) I landed in Tenerife, but I do not think that means something (you know from my former posting that great circles headings are different from start and end point).

But perhaps someone else come up with a good idea by "looking at Delphi"

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 		Actually.. I have a new idea.. rather than doing these calculations visually, let's try using some GPS math.

I found plenty of calculations that let you derive the distance between two coordinates. However, what we want to do is provide coordinate 1 and the distance and bearing and calculate coordinate 2. This would be where we want to go.

Problem is, I can't find a wonder calculator to do that for me, and I'm so far removed from my days of Algebra and Trig, I'm not sure I could do the reverse Cosine/Sine stuff myself. (Edit: Found one)

Now, the lat/lon for Stephenville is:
lat = 48.547183 (48 32 50 N)
long =-58.564425 (58 33 52 W)

Alright... follow my logic here.. the math I'm putting it might be wrong, and the bearing might be wrong, but if I/we can figure out the right numbers...

Step 1) Determined the decimal lat/long from Google
Step 2) Converted the decimal degrees to standard degrees @ here
== 48 32 50 N, 58 33 52 W
Step 3) Went here and provided a distance of 3788km and used a bearing of 84 degrees. This was based on a previous discussion of 24 degrees Scorpio.
Step 4) Took the results 41 16 24 N, 1 16 7 W and converted back into decimal, using same location as step 2, given me 41.27333, -1.26861
Step 5) Provided the decimal coordinates back into Google to take me here


Now, this is no where near Wales. HOWEVER, it seems to be in the ballpark of the longitude. I think the difference is going to be
a) Is the bearing correct and
b) is the calculation for the distance in stadia correct

If someone wants to work on those things, maybe this will give you a push.

.W.

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Weezel wrote:
However, what we want to do is provide coordinate 1 and the distance and bearing and calculate coordinate 2. This would be where we want to go.

Problem is, I can't find a wonder calculator to do that for me, .W.


This page http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm does what you want. It has been posted several times. Just try it. You will see that you end up in the atlantic before Portugal, like me Sad

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AUZ505 wrote:
Weezel wrote:
However, what we want to do is provide coordinate 1 and the distance and bearing and calculate coordinate 2. This would be where we want to go.

Problem is, I can't find a wonder calculator to do that for me, .W.


This page http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm does what you want. It has been posted several times. Just try it. You will see that you end up in the atlantic before Portugal, like me Sad


Actually my steps put me in the middle of spain. Smile

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