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[QUESTION] Computer Code/Widow Story Translation
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Roc
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Except that a 'surgery' block of commands without a corresponding 'network' block of attach act | drops is quite unusual.

We might interpret that whole block as being:
Code:

net:
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop

grope:
!dsc host sector 0
!dsc host sector secondary
!dsc host sector secondary
!dsc host sector secondary
!dsc primary sector

surg:
!store primary sector mem dmg 0 0
!store primary sector mem dmg 0 1
!store primary sector mem dmg 0 2
!store primary sector mem dmg 0 3
!store primary sector mem dmg 0 4


Except that in such a block, one would expect 10 !attach commands, rather than just 5.

Perhaps the filename indicates that by clicking the link we are 'running' that !store command ourselves?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:28 am
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Theq629
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Quote:

Maybe working through less important to more important sectors, kind of like working from the bottom up. Just a therory.

I think this is right. I take the sector order to be tertiary, secondary, primary, with primary being the Keep.

Quote:

There weren't any dsc commands in phase 1 (when the widow's journey was revealed).


I have !dscs in a copy of hives.html from about 16:07 on 26/07/2004:
Code:

net:
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop

grope:
!dsc host sector 0
!dsc host sector tertiary
!dsc host sector tertiary
!dsc host sector tertiary

surg:
!mat
magnetic confidence 100


I agree that the new commands and the new html files seem to be connected by timing, but I don't know how to make them fit with those previous !dsc commands.

I just put up my own translation on my wiki user page to clarify where I'm putting this in the story.

I'll have to think about the commands in URLs tomorrow when I'm more awake. I'm not sure how sectors are designated: what's the difference between things like sector 0 (integer after 'sector'), sector secondary (text number after), and primary sector (text number before)?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:08 am
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guest
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Roc, I believe your interpretation is much more accurate than the original comparison. However, I suggest these changes:

When she had made sure of her tools,
net:
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!route
proc attach proc net
!route
proc attach proc grope
!route
proc attach proc sur

Note: Configuring tools.


she opened her eyes and found herself in Hell, which was a dark place where no birds sang. Other than the Widow, two alone had escaped destruction.
net:
!scan
null
- which was a dark place
!listen
null
- where no birds sang
!attach
act | drop

!extern 2
- two alone had escaped destruction


To tend her, the widow would need light to work by. Studying the fireflies, she found she could fit many more inside her lantern, and this she did.
net:
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!attach
act | drop
!packet analysis
- Studying the fireflies
chatter protocol ancestor
!parse packet
analysis complete
- she found she could fit many more inside her lantern
!route
proc attach proc store -
and this she did
Note: The store cmd/proc is used from this point on in the story.


My theory is that this:
!attach
act | drop recurse

!extern proc 0
log accessed

IS the Sleeping Princess accessing the SPDR's log (we already believe "extern proc 0" to be the Sleeping Princess). Note from Killer 1 "Before I woke up I dreamed what the Widow said in processing mode", and the beginning of the Widow's Journey "Everything died, and I died with it, but after a timeless time I began to dream, and this is what I dreamed". Apart from the obvious "dreaming" references, this attributes both the Widow's Journey AND the Killer.jpg texts (or at least Killer 1) to the Sleeping Princess.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:05 pm
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Noir
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guest wrote:
My theory is that this:
!attach
act | drop recurse

!extern proc 0
log accessed

IS the Sleeping Princess accessing the SPDR's log (we already believe "extern proc 0" to be the Sleeping Princess). Note from Killer 1 "Before I woke up I dreamed what the Widow said in processing mode", and the beginning of the Widow's Journey "Everything died, and I died with it, but after a timeless time I began to dream, and this is what I dreamed". Apart from the obvious "dreaming" references, this attributes both the Widow's Journey AND the Killer.jpg texts (or at least Killer 1) to the Sleeping Princess.


I thought external process 0 was the Queen. If the Queen accessed the SPDR logs before it was repaired and functioning (while it slept) it would essentially be dreaming the SPDR's activities, thus making the Queen the author of the Widow's Journey.

Let Sleeping Princesses lie.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:42 pm
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Roc
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my problem with
Code:

!extern 2

is that i would expect a return from a command to be '2', whereas this appears to be saying 'look for extern #2'.
perhaps if the frmat was intended to be:
Code:

!extern
2

that'd fit quite a bit better.

Oh, and thanks to the 'guest' for their post upthread. Interesting. I'm looking at how that might work in.

and are we sure about the !dsc statements in phase1?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:50 pm
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I suppose sharper people than I have noticed that the same commands and command structures that tell the widow's story of repairing the queen (surg, dmg, grope, etc.) seem to be the same structure of commands that allow us to visit the quarantine sites at http://www.ilovebees.com/surg.!store.primary.sector.mem.dmg.0.(0-4).html. Perhaps the PMs expect us to use the commands from the story to find hidden pages deeper in ILB? Maybe some variation of //www.ilovebees.com/surg.store.secondary... I don't have enough experience with web coding, but I do know they wouldn't give us the quarantined pages and their locations unless it furthered the game.

And anyway, we're 10 days from metastatizing. No way we've found all there is to find in this stage of the game.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:32 pm
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What I'm asking is, Is there anyone on this board, familiar with the computer text and what it means, who is willing to try playing with the commands in an adress bar? Is there any command in the log text that could be used to communicate?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:36 pm
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Theq629
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Stage one and url commands

You can see the stage one !dscs on the wiki ilb mirrors for the 21st and the 26st.

I've tried replacing the 'dmg' in surg.!store.primary.sector.mem.dmg.0.0.html with 'clear', 'frgm', 'abs', 'working', and 'broken', all from the bit of code with the !invntry primary sector commands. I've also tried using things like secondary.sector and master.sector.

I suspect that using those urls isn't supposed to actually execute commands, because then it seems as though commands like [url=http://www.ilovebees.com/surg.!triage.extern.proc.0.html]http://www.ilovebees.com/surg.!triage.extern.proc.0.html[/url] should at least give an error message or something. There could well be similar similarly named files we don't know about, though.

For that matter... we don't have any way of knowing that the quarantine pages weren't up during stage one, do we? Not that it necessarily makes any difference.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:07 pm
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Roc
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Gotcha. I confirmed the phase1 !dsc commands, and am back to thinking that dsc is 'discard'; as the !dsc commands correspond to the sapphire and the 'cobbles' that the Widow notably does not !label, as she did the fragment of ruby.

I've updated my alternate analysis on the wiki following the great insights here.

Also, yeah, I have played with the URL, noting the command similarities between the new !store URLs, and the rest of the code. But I've been unable to find anything in particular.

Also, the Queen is almost certainly not considered an external process. Also, in the correspondance between the extern proc 0 statements and the Sleeping Princess descriptions it seems fairly clear that the Sleeping Princess is extern proc 0.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:26 am
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Nightmare Tony
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1. am thinking that the memory fragments located within the ILoveBees are exactly that: FRAGMENTs. We all may have to find a way to fit them together int he proper order, since this is a basic memory dump of an AI. Ibnteresting how the commands seem to mirror the story in there, that and the other stories may tell us how to fit it all together correctly...

2. might be a trout, but could the Queen refer to a mothership, real or metaphorical or a carrier of some kind rather than an entity?
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Roc
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Quote:
could the Queen refer to a mothership, real or metaphorical or a carrier of some kind rather than an entity?


Likely not. The connection between 'the Queen' and the Operator is too strong at this point. It certainly seems that the Queen/Operator identifies heavily with having been the controller of a ship (was likely a shipboard AI in Halo terms), but she was not the ship itself.

As for putting together the fragments, well, that's what the Wiki has done with the phase2 pages. We're wondering if we can't find additional information.

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Nightmare Tony
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back after journeying through search and the wikis onto one hypothesis now. Skip the last one, and thanks ont he sharpener.

TENDING

She walked through the empty corridors of the Keep searching for her Queen, past the bodies of her servants and subjects that lay dead or enchanted.

The Queen was gone, and in her place lay only an empty crown. By great enchantment she had been mazed in mirrors, and lay upon a lodestone floor amongst only her reflections. Long and long the Widow stood in thought. Then she raised her bony staff and speaking a spell, beheld herself within the mirrors: and beholding herself, was within them. And there, with the crown still upon her brow, lay the Queen.


The bodies of other servants, being other programs or the scattered fragments, dead pieces of code wihch we see all over ilovebees.

MAZED IN MIRRORS: Here's the kicker. On the Apple ][ GS we call it Shadow Memory or a MEMORY MIRROR. This is where certain memory is mirrored or copied to another for processing. To me, this means that
there is another copy of the Queen's code somewhere, but where?
What other memory is being referenced, where did the program find it from? Maybe the original Queen's code is the hidden data within the sound file? There is reported to be a MASSIVE overlay of data, maybe pluggiing in the commands or trying to get those out is a starting point there?
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Seeing as how the SPDR expected the Queen to be resident in memory and running, I think any copy on the magnetic disc could be interpreted as a 'reflection' mazed in the mirrors (platter) of the drive.
Also she's still scattered about quite a bit, so I don't know that the pluralizing suggests duplicate copies. Particularly given that she's so incredibly massive in memory terms, I think any additional copies are pretty much out of the question.

That said, there is still quite likely information in those wavs and in the probably stegged bee2_margaretphoto.jpg

Though 'massive' would be only a relative quantity, all 3 files are quite small, and as they're mostly intact, any hidden data is probably on the order of 1% of the total filesize. But that's heading off topic.
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How do we know how big is said magnetic media? It could refer to the net as a whole which can be interpreted to a memory resident entity as a single lodestone type. Remember that servers tend to have mucho more memory than the websites alone which reside on them. And a mirrored memory is a duplicate memory, in computer terms, so I can see a complete and more intact duplicate to be found...

(and since it was researched through search and wiki, this hypothesis isnt trout, and since I have yet to get a trout, have to give it to myself, does it count? Smile Trout
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Confused this newb doesn't understand about quarantine pages. There is something that hasn't been accessed yet? Does it have anything to do with the archive phase I that is accessed through the little bee icon on the upper left of each ILB page? Click on it and it links to pages labled in a black box with this:
QUARANTINE - FRAGMENTED MEMORY
RESTORATION PHASE: 0

not ment to be trout but request for clarification. Smile
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