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Elizabeth123
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 		Third cobbled paragraph, which doesn't make all that much sense:

Already we've needed 27 years to find our way, and at last we have Jorge's plan, captured a fortunate turn of history, the big project of Pierre de Coubertin, who gave towards us a lot of good luck. But if you read these letters, don't (stop? Malsukcesa?), you don't have the luxury to wait, (and something like, "it's your duty to act as your personal historian."

Here, by the way, is the link for Pierre de Coubertin, "who is best known as the founder of the International Olympic Committee."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_de_Coubertin[/url]

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Elizabeth123
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 		Fourth paragraph:

Therefore, we leave behind this (codex?). It details all together, what we have learned about who we six are, why we (funcias—function?) in the world—and where they now have the ability to stop.

Okay...I'm bored...There's got to be something more interesting...

The next paragraph talks about us being able to help by finding Chapter 27 of the codex, and developing the new (Greek letters) and it also mentions a powerful ring, the mission, an ancient secret, and restoring the grand tradition...

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Elizabeth123
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 		Pretty obvious, but the Greek letters spell Agonothenai...

Last paragraph just talks about their signatures...

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 		Thanks Elisabeth123!

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FMG
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 		There is a translation now on Ariadne's forum. Apparently we don't have to find chapter 27... but 27 chapters!!!

What do you think of that last string in the last page:

AIOPO(striked Y?)/I5DB/J2L4/N2IR/I80T ??

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 		I've translated and adjusted the phrasing to make sense after a translator on the artifact page
http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Artifacts#Cardiff

some of it may be wrong, so go ahead and edit if it is Smile the 2nd page doesn't have accents yet.
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Weezel
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thebruce wrote:
I've translated and adjusted the phrasing to make sense after a translator on the artifact page
http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Artifacts#Cardiff

some of it may be wrong, so go ahead and edit if it is Smile the 2nd page doesn't have accents yet.


Ailanto on Ariade's forum has some slightly different translations of the phrases here.

If those are humanly translated, the phrasing might be more accurate.

e.g.
We saw how this failed. During almost three decades,
versus
We observed the consequences of this failure. During nearly three decades

Its only slight nuance differences...

.W.

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 		Re: Signatures
Dr Awkward wrote:
Hey Look! Six signatures on page 1, all from different languages. Perhaps the original six?

Although I can't tell what they're saying, four of them are in the Roman alphabet and then there's two that I can't recognize at all. Anyone?

The bottom right signature looks like an Indian alphabet such as Hindi to me.
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 		From the IRC chats:

The vertical signature is hiragana (Japanese) for Akira. One can therefore assume the other non-roman name is "Rakhee" (from the letter...Hindi, possibly?)

The other names appear to be Jules, Kelly, Micah, and probably Jorge.

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Elizabeth123 wrote:
The relapse of 1916 showed how refined (seems like wrong word, but that's what's in the dictionary—I think it's probably supposed to mean something like "fragile") our system can be.


Courtesy of the Wikipedia article on the Olympics: "due to World War I the 1916 Games were cancelled."

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esperanto-tim
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 		Full translation of the Esperanto text
Hi guys.

There's a complete transcription and translation of this Esperanto text in this thread at TrovuLaRingonPerditan.com.

I've pasted the critical bit below. Enjoy!

> LA KODEKSO DE LA PERDITA RINGO
> Antverpeno - 11 novembro 1918

THE PHARMACOEPIA OF THE LOST RING
Antwerp, 11th November 1918

[Translator's note: I didn't know the Esperanto word "kodekso", but
the online Reta Vortaro (http://www.reta-vortaro.de/revo/) defines it
as "a manuscript made of pages sewn together", possibly relating to
pharmacy, or concerning laws or norms about any aspect of society, and
gives the English translation as "pharmocoepia".]

> Hodiaŭ, ni estas optimismaj. Ni kredas, ke ni trovis vojon
> hejmen, ke la kalkuloj de Rekhee estas ĝustaj, kaj ke la mano de
> Akira montros al ni la vojon. Ni fidas, ke la teorio de Jules pri
> atletika sinkronado pravas, do eĉ se ni ekforiras nun, via mondo
> havos duan sancon.

Today, we're optimistic. We believe we have found a way home, that
Rekhee's calculations are correct, and that the hand of Akira will
show us the way. We are confident that Jules's theory about athletic
synchronisation is true, so even if we set off now, your world will
have a second chance.

[Note that the word "fidas" was incorrectly transcribed as "jidas".]

> Sed ni scias kiel facile perdigas antikvaj tradicioj. Ni vidis
> kiel rapide la limigoj estas forgesitaj. Le recidivo de 1916 montras
> kiel delikata la sistemo povas esti.

But we know how easily ancient traditions are lost. We saw how quickly
the limits were forgotten. The reemergence of the problems in 1916
shows how delicate the system can be.

> Jam ni bezonis 27 jarojn por trovi nian vojon, kaj finfine, estas
> la plano de Jorge kapti bonŝancan turnigon de historio - la granda
> projekto de Pierre de Coubertin - kiu donis al mi la plej bonan
> ŝancon. Sed se vi legas ĉi tiun leteron, ni balsukcesis - kaj vi ne
> havos la lukson atendi. Vi devos fari vian propran historion.

We've already taken 27 years to find our way, and finally, Jorge's
plan is to seize the opportunity presented by a lucky turn of history
- the big project of Pierre de Coubertin - which brought me the
greatest of luck. But if you read this letter, you've failed - and you
won't have the luxury of waiting. You'll have to make your own
history.

[Note that "malsukcesis" was mistyped on the original letter as
"balsukcesis", but it can't really be any other word. The typo may of
course be a clue to something else though.]

> Do ni postlasas ĉi tiun kodekson. Gxi detaligas cxion, kion ni
> lernis pri kiuj ni ses estas, kial oni sendis nin tien cxi, kaj kiel
> funcias la mondoj - kaj kiel ili povas malsukcesi.

So we're leaving behind this pharmacoepia. It details everything that
we know about who we six are, why we were sent here, and how the
worlds work - and how they can fail.

> Ni observis la konsekvencojn de ĉi tiu malsukceso. Dum preskaŭ
> tri jardekoj, Micha estis hantita per vidoj de mondoj dispecigitaj kaj
> mondoj kompak igitaj. Kaj se vi trovis cxi tiun unuan cxapitron de la
> kodekso, via mondo nun frotas la dangxeron de la sango.

We observed the consequences of this failure. For almost three
decades, Micha was haunted by visions of worlds blown to pieces and
worlds compacted. And if you've found this first chapter of the
pharmacoepia, your world is now rubbing against the danger of blood.

[Note that the word "kompaktigitaj" (i.e. compacted or compressed) had
a letter 't' missing in the original.]

> Sed ne devas esti cxi tiel. Vi povas helpi. Vi devas helpi. Trovu
> cxiujn 27 cxapitron de cxi tiu kodekso, kaj vi estigos la nova (greka
> vorto)-potenca ringocefo en misio rehavigi la antikvan sekretojn kaj
> restarigi la grandajn tradiciojn.

But it doesn't have to be this way. You can help. You must help. Find
all 27 chapters of the pharmacoepia, and you will establish the new
Agonothetai - a powerful ringmaster in a mission to get back the
ancient secrets and re-establish the great traditions.

[The word "Agonothetai" is written in Greek in the original.
"Agonothetai" is my transliteration, based on a very small knowledge
of the Greek alphabet.]

> Ni ekzistas pli granda respondeco en la mondoj ol tiu, kiun vi nun
> havas.

There is no greater responsibility in the world than that which you
now have.

[The first word in the original is "Ni" (="We") but almost certainly
should be "Ne" (="not").]

> Kaj ne ekzistas pli granda rakonto ol tiu, kiun ni estas pretaj
> rakonti al vi.

And there exists no greater story that that which we are ready to tell
you.

> Subskribintaj,
> (signatures? - Kelly, Maike, Jules, Jay, 5th name, 6th name)

Signed,

[six signatures -- see original]

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 		Re: Full translation of the Esperanto text
esperanto-tim wrote:

> LA KODEKSO DE LA PERDITA RINGO
> Antverpeno - 11 novembro 1918

THE PHARMACOEPIA OF THE LOST RING
Antwerp, 11th November 1918

[Translator's note: I didn't know the Esperanto word "kodekso", but
the online Reta Vortaro (http://www.reta-vortaro.de/revo/) defines it
as "a manuscript made of pages sewn together", possibly relating to
pharmacy, or concerning laws or norms about any aspect of society, and
gives the English translation as "pharmocoepia".


Thanks for the translation.. this is great!

And I suspect that KODESKO is "codex."

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esperanto-tim
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 		Re: Full translation of the Esperanto text
danteIL wrote:
Thanks for the translation.. this is great!

And I suspect that KODESKO is "codex."


Yes, I'm sure you're right.

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FMG
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 		Tim, can you take a look at the new pages that jasper found today?

http://164.109.150.213/PRUVO/JR01/SPL7/AG2I/JR28/1FB7.PDF

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esperanto-tim
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 		For info, our man Limako has been really busy today:

http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Artifacts

He's posted a full transcription (in Esperanto) and translation (into English) of the document that FMG mentions above.

Enjoy!

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