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[RING][ARTIFACT] Ch. 4 (@Shanghai, China)
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Isaac Dodgson
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 		100 years ago St. Peter's looked like that, at least that part

And the only real reason that i'm so diehard on it not being st. peter's is because the other is so convincingly the roman forum, as you said

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Isaac Dodgson wrote:
100 years ago St. Peter's looked like that, at least that part

And the only real reason that i'm so diehard on it not being st. peter's is because the other is so convincingly the roman forum, as you said

Agreed! ARG So, do you think the one at the bottom shows a curved row of columns? It's not straight enough to be a straight side of a temple, but not curvy enough to be a round one.

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 		Just as I was arguing that the other one is not St. Peter's and if it is the sketch is highly inaccurate...this one too is a sketch, and such is on that fine line between really detailed and stick figure render...I'd like to say it's straight, as the bottom of the pediment looks straight as well

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Isaac Dodgson wrote:
There is no way the top left is St. Peter's...no, it can't be, but it is a church, and so is the one below it...the wife feels the lower one has a spanish influence, or at least thats what struck her...who knows


In my earlier post, the drawing which I was saying looked like the St Peter's Basilica is the middle one on the left, not the top one... Smile

The document does say that "we chose places where sport, playing, festivals and other special events often take place." St Peter's, according to Wiki is almost like a pilgrimage site for the Roman Catholic community, so it does fit into the category of a possible site described in the document.


And the identity of the columns at the bottom of the page continues to elude us, I believe. Jasper, I found a more close up shot of the Temple of Poseidon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Temple_of_Poseidon.jpg

But I think both the Parthenon and the Temple of Poseidon aren't right. The tops of the columns in both seem to match the detail in the drawing, but it's the bottom of the columns where it differs. The top of the columns certainly does look like more of an Ionic design, though. (Where's brodie with her expertise when you need her?? Very Happy) Looks like we may have to search through a list of ancient architecture with Ionic columns.

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Gerri wrote:
Isaac Dodgson wrote:
There is no way the top left is St. Peter's...no, it can't be, but it is a church, and so is the one below it...the wife feels the lower one has a spanish influence, or at least thats what struck her...who knows


In my earlier post, the drawing which I was saying looked like the St Peter's Basilica is the middle one on the left, not the top one... Smile

The document does say that "we chose places where sport, playing, festivals and other special events often take place." St Peter's, according to Wiki is almost like a pilgrimage site for the Roman Catholic community, so it does fit into the category of a possible site described in the document.


And the identity of the columns at the bottom of the page continues to elude us, I believe. Jasper, I found a more close up shot of the Temple of Poseidon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Temple_of_Poseidon.jpg

But I think both the Parthenon and the Temple of Poseidon aren't right. The tops of the columns in both seem to match the detail in the drawing, but it's the bottom of the columns where it differs. The top of the columns certainly does look like more of an Ionic design, though. (Where's brodie with her expertise when you need her?? Very Happy) Looks like we may have to search through a list of ancient architecture with Ionic columns.

If that middle one is St. Peter's, the artist has drawn Michelangelo's huge amazing dome to look like a pimple.

One reason I like that particular Temple of Poseidon as a possibility. is that the one side has only six columns standing. I'm also swayed because I visited it once, which obviously has nothing to do with any of this. I can't say that it's actually near anything festive or special event-ish. I remember it being a long bus ride out from Athens.

Good point about places mentioned in the codex. More than one place.

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jasper wrote:
Gerri wrote:
Isaac Dodgson wrote:
There is no way the top left is St. Peter's...no, it can't be, but it is a church, and so is the one below it...the wife feels the lower one has a spanish influence, or at least thats what struck her...who knows


In my earlier post, the drawing which I was saying looked like the St Peter's Basilica is the middle one on the left, not the top one... Smile

The document does say that "we chose places where sport, playing, festivals and other special events often take place." St Peter's, according to Wiki is almost like a pilgrimage site for the Roman Catholic community, so it does fit into the category of a possible site described in the document.


And the identity of the columns at the bottom of the page continues to elude us, I believe. Jasper, I found a more close up shot of the Temple of Poseidon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Temple_of_Poseidon.jpg

But I think both the Parthenon and the Temple of Poseidon aren't right. The tops of the columns in both seem to match the detail in the drawing, but it's the bottom of the columns where it differs. The top of the columns certainly does look like more of an Ionic design, though. (Where's brodie with her expertise when you need her?? Very Happy) Looks like we may have to search through a list of ancient architecture with Ionic columns.

If that middle one is St. Peter's, the artist has drawn Michelangelo's huge amazing dome to look like a pimple.

One reason I like that particular Temple of Poseidon as a possibility. is that the one side has only six columns standing. I'm also swayed because I visited it once, which obviously has nothing to do with any of this. I can't say that it's actually near anything festive or special event-ish. I remember it being a long bus ride out from Athens.

Good point about places mentioned in the codex. More than one place.


LOL, yes, the dome does look a tad bit too small, doesn't it? But the overall design does seem to fit (from the front view: one big dome, two smaller ones by the side and a triangular bit in the middle with plenty of columns on the front facade).

But then again, I'm wondering if this is a common design among basilicas; we might have to search till we've found the right one...? Confused


And about the Temple not being near anything festive... It did used to be a temple after all; even if it isn't now, it did have some special significance in the past! Very Happy

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 		The second one can't be St. Peter's either, even more things wrong with that...The sketch shows that the building has a pediment on presumably three or four sides (two are seen) where as St. Peters only has one pediment on the front, also they're are again presumably four smaller domes (three are seen) and then the main one in the sketch where st. peters massive dome is only accompanied with two others...

As for what it could be....i'm still working on that

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 		*shrugs*

I'm not too sure it's St Peter's either; I don't know enough about basilica architecture and designs to know which part of the world it might be in, what period it was built in, or if this is even a common design! Razz

But what I do know from looking through all those pictures of basilicae, is that in trying to locate this place, we're pretty much limited by the pictures that exist (which are mostly of their front facade), and we may not be able to see views of other angles...

From what I've read, I think St Peter's only has two domes, so I think you might be right, it's not St Peter's. But so far, I haven't found any other pictures which seem to fit. Sigh.


Oh, and what's a pediment?

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Gerri wrote:
*shrugs*

I'm not too sure it's St Peter's either; I don't know enough about basilica architecture and designs to know which part of the world it might be in, what period it was built in, or if this is even a common design! Razz

But what I do know from looking through all those pictures of basilicae, is that in trying to locate this place, we're pretty much limited by the pictures that exist (which are mostly of their front facade), and we may not be able to see views of other angles...

From what I've read, I think St Peter's only has two domes, so I think you might be right, it's not St Peter's. But so far, I haven't found any other pictures which seem to fit. Sigh.


Oh, and what's a pediment?


It's the "triangle" part everyone keeps mentioning...

I can tell you that they are at the very least neo-classical in design...and the second looks like a cross-nave floor plan maybe?

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 		Ok, so I've been looking at those drawings in the document again; the second one on the left doesn't have anything distinctive that we could use, but the one in the top left corner has a kind of floral design in the middle of the triangular section.

Isaac, since your wife is an archaelogy major, would she be willing to show the drawing to one of her professors (or any other experts she knows), to see if they could maybe give us a time period or place or any other kinda influence they might have had, which might give us a clue where it's located?

Might be a bonus if they could help with the statue on the right too! Very Happy

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 		laughing

She's not my wife, but she might as well be...hence the name...ANYWAY of course I can ask her to do that for me, and I can talk to some art history teachers as well...theres a small catch though...I'm on spring break at the moment, not at the school Confused I'll be back there on monday...

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 		Oh, oops... sorry, but you said the wife, so I thought, ah, never mind. Embarassed Razz

Well, enjoy the rest of your spring break then, finding all these locations can wait till Monday. Very Happy

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 		or if this is even a common design!
yes- it is pretty common.
If you search for neoclassical or renaissance basilica and exclude St. Peter* and Pietro you will find other possibilities.

vocabulary question- the triangle is a pediment, but can a pediment also be a rectangle?

My next idea is to stop looking at churches and start looking for other buildings with that style of architecture. Started here http://www.notduck.com/Other/Capitols.html with U.S. state capital buildings, which are amusing- but I'm out of time for now.

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or if this is even a common design!
yes- it is pretty common.
If you search for neoclassical or renaissance basilica and exclude St. Peter* and Pietro you will find other possibilities.

vocabulary question- the triangle is a pediment, but can a pediment also be a rectangle?

My next idea is to stop looking at churches and start looking for other buildings with that style of architecture. Started here http://www.notduck.com/Other/Capitols.html with U.S. state capital buildings, which are amusing- but I'm out of time for now.


No, they are typically triangular in shape.

Another issue is that the buildings don't even have to be standing today, but they had to have been standing in 1916 at the very least, which means built before then

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 		How about St. Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersburg, Russia for the middle image on the left side?


This http://eng.cathedral.ru/isaac is a fun article with some photos and illustrations and it says "From the time of its consecration the cathedral became the center of city festivities." Very Happy

look at this engraving

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