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Nighthawk
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Oh, sorry... Not familiar with Facebook. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:40 pm
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Coffeebean
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email from Stephanie Loyola
March 20

Quote:
Betty Lou,


I found this on Alex's computer and didn't know if it would be any help.


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R+G-BHR*B-RdB/2+RaG-B-GjB-G


(66 + 60 - 124) H (136 * 147 - 121) d (69/2 + 66) a (60 - 237 - 220) j (69 - 209)


(2) H (19871) d (100.5) a (-397) j (-140)


2H19871d101a397j140


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There was also a picture in the same folder as this text file. It's attached to this email.


Thank you again for all of the support you've given me,


Stephanie Loyola


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*also an attached pic.....which I have to change some settings to allow it..brb It looks like each line equals the same thing. Bar.png attached.
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Nighthawk
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Ok, so that's a "here's the answer, stupid" email. Confused

Now what do we do with that?
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We wait for Omega to see it, figure it out, and tell us what to do with it Razz

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Looking at the solve and our image, I'm still not seeing how we were supposed to know which values to insert for each color.

Oh well, lets hope Omega gets here soon.

EDIT:

The final value is 19 characters long, so I don't think it's a hash of the password. They tend to be 16 or 32 characters long.

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Would 94H4013d168a44j8 be a nice hash of a password? Razz

If you use our origional bar.jpg theres 13 colors, as there are 13 R's, G's, or B's in the equation. Using these colors and to get values, the above can be found -- It doesn't seem to be a hash.

I also can't see how they got the numeric values they did from the bar.png that was attached -- Either I'm using a faulty tool to get decimal values, or they got numbers from somewhere else.

Can anybody post the decimal values for the RGB channels in the new image?

Finally -- I think the blue hex value of the third swatch in our origional bar.jpg should be 1D instead of 1C. This would make the hash result be:
93H4013d168a44j8 -- Which also doesn't seem to be right.

Edit -- Fixed a typo in the new hash value.
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Well, since R has three or four different values, and same for B and G....I don't get it.

What if the final answer 2H19871d101a397j140 is a type of cipher?

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I took the Red value of the first color swatch, the Green of the second, the Blue of the third, and so on, going by which letter was the next RG or B in the initial code:

R+G-BHR*B-RdB/2+RaG-B-GjB-G



I think the e-mail was a hint to get us started on this code -- not the absolute solution.
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Bigger image of our bar.png, if it helps.


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I didn't even notice the bar changed.

I can't deal with this right now; in transit. Anyone?
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Nighthawk wrote:
I didn't even notice the bar changed.

I can't deal with this right now; in transit. Anyone?


Same here. Like I have a sponge inside my head, instead of my brain Very Happy
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Nighthawk wrote:
I didn't even notice the bar changed.

I can't deal with this right now; in transit. Anyone?


The bar didn't change -- That's a new bar that was attached to the e-mail (Or at least I assume that was an e-mail).

The old bar is still located at http://redloyola.com/img/bar.jpg -- Which makes me think we still have to solve the puzzle, and that new (png) bar was just an example.

I still can't seem to figure out how they got those numbers from the image -- Is that the origional PNG that you recieved? The colors just don't seem to add up (heh).
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Coffeebean wrote:
We wait for Omega to see it, figure it out, and tell us what to do with it Razz

I go to visit my mother for the day, and this is what I have to come back to? You know, I'm not your personal problem-solver. I have my own problems! I have feelings, too! WAAAAHHH!!! *runs away* Crying or Very sad

Emotion trip set aside, Stephanie's email is somewhat helpful, but doesn't quite solve everything for us. Just to get everyone on the same page, the cipher on Alex's computer was, as ElGamer explains, formed by taking the red decimal value of the first color, the green value of the second, blue of the third, and so on. However, Alex's cipher is actually incorrect. Let's recall our code:

R+G-BHR*B-RdB/2+RaG-B-GjB-G

Bar.png has the following RGB tuples:

66, 156, 178
154, 60, 60
204, 124, 124
136, 196, 211
213, 147, 147
121, 189, 205
46, 112, 69
66, 156, 178
154, 60, 60
213, 234, 239
211, 237, 220
46, 112, 69
143, 209, 166

I've highlighted the values that should have gone into creating Alex's cipher. The correct cipher is as follows:

(66 + 60 - 124) H (136 * 147 - 121) d (69/2 + 66) a (60 - 239 - 237) j (69 - 209)
(2) H (19871) d (100.5) a (-416) j (-140)

2H19871d101a416j140

The puppetmaster likely got the RGB colors mixed up on the third- and fourth-to-last values in the cipher. I hope; I don't want to find out later down the road that we've been trying to solve this puzzle using an incorrect hint. Razz

Anyway, applying this cipher process to our earlier image (bar.jpg), we get the value posted by ElGamer (I verified the cipher and the color values; the third swath is 1C, not 1D; your original cipher is correct):

94H4013d168a44j8

I've tried combinations of testUser with the two ciphers for the login, but that doesn't work. To my knowledge, the ciphers aren't hidden hexadecimal (base 32) messages, either. So, there's another puzzle here, somewhere. The one thing we still have yet to figure out is why H, d, a, and j are in the code. But, this is progress, at least.

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Time to think out loud, hopefully I'll inspire somebody.

I'm confident that our code is correct, as we use the exact same method as the e-mail indicated.

94H4013d168a44j8

(My computer is giving me the different hex value -- but I blame it on the program I'm using to get the color values, as I get completely whack values for the png)

This must be another code of some type, since it doesn't work as the password in itself.

The code also isn't any known hash, and isn't a hex code (as it contains H and j). It doesn't seem to be base 32 or 64 either.

The H is capitalized, unlike the other letters -- It's special in some way, or just needed to be a much higher ascii value. But if this is the case, why are there only four letters in a 16 char long code?

It seems like there is a lot of waisted numbers in the rest of the bar code color values. Could there be some way to extract more data by using other R/G/B values?

We can divide the 16 characters up into a grid -- which would make a kinda fun puzzle, if it acutally helped at all:

Code:
94H4
013d
168a
44j8


The letters only appear in the last two columns, which is probably just coincidence -- I'm just trying to grasp at any pattern I see.
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Yes, it was an email (as I said above) and yes, that's the file sent with it.

Omega, I am really not following much of that ...but...if Steph sent it "from Alex's computer" then maybe the PM messed up the first puzzle, and is giving a way to use the new values? (even if you know your solution is right, I think we should use the emailed one. jmo)

I'll email Steph and ask for more help......and see if she has any reason to suspect anyone (Robert? Sophia?) at redloyola as being involved.
I decided to post it on Facebook, Alex's friends group. Capablanca already knows the code is there, he is a codemonkey, so I don't think this will compromise anything. Let's see if he replies, or deletes it.

Anyone else think Alex staged his death? Perhaps to protect his family?


PS: Nice of you to visit your mom Smile now get back to work! lol

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