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[RING][ARTIFACT] Ch. 4 (@Shanghai, China)
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AUZ505
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wiki page

I included the pictures and places into the wiki:
http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Codex-3Ap1#Notes

Up to now I only have the following three places, where we have a positive approvement with real images showing every detail:

Helsinki Cathedral, Helsinki
Forum Romanum, Rome
Stock Echange Building, Stockholm

All are Olympic cities!

If I overlooked something, post it here or in the wiki

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In Chapter 4, the old six said: "In order to escape their sight, we chose places where sports, games, festivals and other special events often occur."

So the places to train aren't places in the middle of nowhere, but in the middle of big cities - only in large cities do you really find sports, games, festivals and special events occurring often.

Surely the best place for athletes to train would be in cities hosting that have hosted, or are hosting the Olympics? Not only would there already be loads of facilities, sporting grounds and stadia, but they'd blend in with all the other athletes around and no-one would think twice. If the locations used by the old six include Helsinki, Rome and Stockholm - all citites capable of hosting the Olympics - then this support the theory.

So that's where the labyrinths in Chapter 4 need to be built: in large cities, cities capable of hosting the Olympic Games.

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Chid12 wrote:
In Chapter 4, the old six said: "In order to escape their sight, we chose places where sports, games, festivals and other special events often occur."

So the places to train aren't places in the middle of nowhere, but in the middle of big cities - only in large cities do you really find sports, games, festivals and special events occurring often.

Surely the best place for athletes to train would be in cities hosting that have hosted, or are hosting the Olympics? Not only would there already be loads of facilities, sporting grounds and stadia, but they'd blend in with all the other athletes around and no-one would think twice. If the locations used by the old six include Helsinki, Rome and Stockholm - all citites capable of hosting the Olympics - then this support the theory.

So that's where the labyrinths in Chapter 4 need to be built: in large cities, cities capable of hosting the Olympic Games.


Well yes...We've found this pattern in the locations, the catch is that when this page of the Codex was written (theoretically around or just before 1920), the locations were not actually ones that had hosted the games, but rather ones that would in the future (Stockholm was the location of the 1956 olympic's equestrian events). It would stand to reason that possible locations would be to them not ones that had hosted games but ones that would in the future...

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Gerri wrote:
Where's brodie with her expertise when you need her?? Very Happy


Sorry, Gerri, I was moving house :S lol. Only just got the net connected up again today. I have to say, I'm ecstatic that ... three? ... of the sites have been identified, and I'm going to see if I can identify a couple more.

And we're on the theory that all of the training sites have to be in cities where the Olympics have been/will be held.

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Athens 1896 (well, Corinth...)
Paris 1900
St. Louis 1904
London 1908
Stockholm 1912
Antwerp 1920
Paris 1924
Amsterdam 1928
Los Angeles 1932
Berlin 1936
London 1948
Helsinki 1952
Melbourne 1956
Rome 1960
Tokyo 1964
Mexico City 1968
Munich 1972
Montreal 1976
Moscow 1980
Los Angeles 1984
Seoul 1988
Barcelona 1992
Atlanta 1996
Sydney 2000
Athens 2004
Beijing 2008

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Am I right?

Okay. So.


Where is this?

Athens, Greece; Parthenon
Sounion, Greece; Temple of Poseidon
Berlin, Germany; Brandenburg Gate

Paris, France; Parc Monceau (go, rivenor!)


Where is this?

Corinth, Greece; Gulf of Corinth (viewed from Delphi)(suggested by brodie)
Zante, Greece; Navagio beach, Zakynthos (suggested by AC07)


Where is this?

Rome, Italy; Roman Forum (thanks, Trak26!!


Where is this?

Helsinki, Finland; Helsinki Cathedral (yay for jasper!)


Where is this?

London, England; Commerce, Holborn Viaduct
London, England; King George V, Queensway Tunnel
?, Scotland; Robert the Bruce

Coimbra, Portugal; King Denis of Portugal, Coimbra University (aceituna's brilliant beginner's luck!)


Where is this?

Stockholm, Sweden; Stock Exchange Building (jasper again! you're on a roll!)
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(apologies for the double post, but that was more a consolidation post than any real theories. this can be considered my real post.)

You know, I was thinking about Jasper's guess of the Temple of Poseidon.

wikipedia wrote:
The story goes that Aegeus, anxiously looking out from Sounion, despaired when he saw a black sail on his son Theseus's ship, returning from Crete.


And this happened right near the Temple. A piece of the legend of the Minotaur. It's a shame though. The columns at the Temple of Poseidon are undoubtedly Doric - very plain.

I was also thinking about the Parthenon.

But that couldn't be right either. The Parthenon has eight columns on its western and eastern sides, and many more on its northern and southern. We're looking for six.

The Brandenburg Gate has neither capital (top) nor entablature (base) decorated - it features very plain fluted columns.

Here are my guesses.

The Pantheon in Rome. It unfortunately has eight columns, but the style of column is correct - the Corinthian style (I'm 90% sure it's Corinthian. Any architecture majors in the house?).

The Maison Carrée at Nîmes in southern France has strikingly similar columns to the picture - and there are six of them. However, Nimes doesn't fit with our theory of Olympic cities.

I'm exhausting my knowledge, here. Any other guesses?
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I thought the Parthenon might fit, previously, until I noticed that the design of the columns along the bottom doesn't fit. And then I went to look up the five different orders of columns on Wiki and found that the bottom of those columns in the drawing doesn't seem to match *any* of those orders. So, is this embellishment on the artist's part and that squarish part on the bottom is actually a lot lower (which might fit the Corinthian order), or do the bottoms of those columns not actually look like that in real life??

brodie wrote:
I was also thinking about the Parthenon.

But that couldn't be right either. The Parthenon has eight columns on its western and eastern sides, and many more on its northern and southern. We're looking for six.


I thought we were looking for six too, till the thought occurred to me: what if the six columns we're being shown are just part of the entire facade?

Then in that case, the Pantheon might be our closest match, it having Corinthian columns and all.

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Do those columns really look Corinthian to you? Are you looking at the high resolution image? And seeing something leafy at the top?

They don't really look Doric either, but at this point I trust the sketch artist to include details like leaves or rosettes that should be on Corinthian capitals. I'm thinking the entablature might be a big hint to this one: it's very plain. And the background- what are we looking at through there- trees to the left side? I doubt that this is part of a building facade. A colonnade? With hybridized columns.

For the statue, I've been looking in London at Isaac Dodgson's suggestion. This statue on the Holborn Viaduct, South Parapet has the hat, the hair and the dress, but there isn't enough info in the photo. http://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/images/nrpCL/clcol172c.jpg

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jasper wrote:
Do those columns really look Corinthian to you? Are you looking at the high resolution image? And seeing something leafy at the top?




I see fluted capitals, entablatures and trunks (ack, forgot what they're called, but I'll just call them trunks). It's not particularly like ANY of the styles. I thought Corinthian, from a distance, could be correct, because the capital looks like it's got some sort of funky design going. But perhaps the Composite canon?

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For the statue, I've been looking in London at Isaac Dodgson's suggestion. This statue on the Holborn Viaduct, South Parapet has the hat, the hair and the dress, but there isn't enough info in the photo. http://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/images/nrpCL/clcol172c.jpg


It depends, really. Holborn Viaduct has some similar elements, but the dress is quite different and the pose is wrong. What I mean by 'it depends' is that - are we seeing the statue in the drawing from the front or the back, from the correct side or inverted? Because I can't see a proper face in the drawing if it's from the front, and the wrong arm is raised to be the Holburn Viaduct, and the dress doesn't fall in the same way.

I'm hesitant to say this, but the statue looks... maybe... like it has an owl head? Can anyone else see that? It's pretty unique if that's right.
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There's another photo of the Commerce statue on the Holburn viaduct here:

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/13725/wm/pd734374.jpg

I don't think that's it. In Chapter 4, the statue isn't connected to anything, it stands alone. The Commerce statue is linked to the bridge and there's no coat of arms on the plinth.

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brodie wrote:


Where is this?

Athens, Greece; Parthenon
Sounion, Greece; Temple of Poseidon
Berlin, Germany; Brandenburg Gate


This actually looks like 2 different locations. One on the left with the columns (which look like there's some kind of foliage in the background?) and another one on the right with no discernible structure.

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Chid12 wrote:
There's another photo of the Commerce statue on the Holburn viaduct here:

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/13725/wm/pd734374.jpg

I don't think that's it. In Chapter 4, the statue isn't connected to anything, it stands alone. The Commerce statue is linked to the bridge and there's no coat of arms on the plinth.


Thanks! I couldn't find a better view!

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AC07 wrote:
brodie wrote:


Where is this?

Athens, Greece; Parthenon
Sounion, Greece; Temple of Poseidon
Berlin, Germany; Brandenburg Gate


This actually looks like 2 different locations. One on the left with the columns (which look like there's some kind of foliage in the background?) and another one on the right with no discernible structure.


That's what I originally thought, but then everyone began talking like it was one location. I thought six locations = six agonothetai.

But then, if the coastline (don't you think it looks like a piece of coastline, maybe?) is a location, there's remarkably little there for us to identify exactly WHICH coastline it is. There's a lot of coastline in the world.
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brodie wrote:
I see fluted capitals, entablatures and trunks (ack, forgot what they're called, but I'll just call them trunks). It's not particularly like ANY of the styles. I thought Corinthian, from a distance, could be correct, because the capital looks like it's got some sort of funky design going. But perhaps the Composite canon?


Is there any hard and fast rule about what must be combined with what in the Composite order? If there isn't, these columns probably fit in there, coz they don't seem to match any other order exactly...!

jasper wrote:
'm thinking the entablature might be a big hint to this one: it's very plain.




The entablature of the Corinthian order looks pretty plain too... I don't know really, I'm just throwing out suggestions here and hoping at least they help.... Sad

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brodie wrote:
AC07 wrote:
brodie wrote:


Where is this?

Athens, Greece; Parthenon
Sounion, Greece; Temple of Poseidon
Berlin, Germany; Brandenburg Gate


This actually looks like 2 different locations. One on the left with the columns (which look like there's some kind of foliage in the background?) and another one on the right with no discernible structure.


That's what I originally thought, but then everyone began talking like it was one location. I thought six locations = six agonothetai.

But then, if the coastline (don't you think it looks like a piece of coastline, maybe?) is a location, there's remarkably little there for us to identify exactly WHICH coastline it is. There's a lot of coastline in the world.


My thoughts exactly. Sad (Welcome back, btw, brodie! Very Happy) But since chapter 4 says that they picked sites which had some sporting or religious or festive significance, maybe we could use that? There aren't that many stretches of coastline with religious significance... right...? Confused

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Narrow the search to Olympic host cities on a coast? Whatever we are looking at in that sketch is hidden in plain sight.

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