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[RING][MISSIONS] Sofia - Monica's Postcard
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Chid12 wrote:
brodie wrote:
Thinking about this, about the way that we have specific co-ordinates that connect to places inside the cities, have we tried looking at the streets surrounding the stations?
Ah see now I'm not sure the labyrinths are going to look like labyrinths - made with hedges or walls or whatever. The Codex refers to "human labyrinths" and if you look at the trailers for The Lost Ring, you'll see clips where large groups of people have gathered and are holding hands in a sort of formation.
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What if, for example, in 1920, at Clapham Common Tube Station, hundreds of people all met up together at exactly the same time and constructed a labyrinth using their bodies centered around the Tube Station? Or what if that's meant to happen this summer?

A temporary labyrinth, where the walls are formed by people holding hands, could be established around (centered on) a subway exit. Athletes could then start from the center of the labyrinth (by exiting th subway) with little preparation, forcing them to rely upon their training/memory/ability at blindfolded orienteering.

How do you drop someone into the middle of a labyrinth without letting them see it? pull them up from below.

QUESTION: Do all six of the locations on Jorge's postcard have subway entry/exits?

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Maybe not all subway entrances and exits, but...

chid12 wrote:
Madrid - The Sol Metro Station

London - Clapham Junction train station

Copenhagen - A bus station in the city centre

Boston - State Street (near the Station)

Toronto - The junction of Bloor St and Yonge St

Rio de Janeiro - Av Francisco Bicalho.


The top three are stations, two trains and one bus. The next two aren't, but State Street is near a station, so maybe the co-ordinates were a little off. Maybe the next three are bus-stops? Could someone in the area check that?

EDIT: Thanks, L'el! Bloor-Yonge is a subway station too.
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Bloor-Yonge
is a subway station too

Wikipedia sez Bloor-Yonge is a subway station too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloor-Yonge_(TTC)

"Nearby landmarks include the Toronto Reference Library, the Hudson's Bay Company's The Bay Uptown department store, and the northern end of the Yonge Street Strip... Bloor-Yonge is the busiest station in the system, serving a combined total of approximately 362,280 people a day"

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Yonge and Bloor is the intersection between the two main subway lines in Toronto. It's not the "biggest" station, that's Union Station, but it is definitely the busiest station.

Copenhagen points to the main Bus Terminal.

Another thing to note though, is the GPS coordinates we were given all point to almost identical positions as when you just type "Toronto ON" or "Copenhagen Denmark" into Google Earth. The only one of the six locations that really is very different is London. That definitely takes you to Clapham Station, not the place that typing "London, UK" into Google Earth takes you to.

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Perhaps some people will be disappointed, but I am pretty sure there is nothing special regarding the concrete coordinates on the postcard (also no station theory).

These are simply the coordinates you get, if you put the cities' name into Google Earth. The next point with a resolution of 0.001° is taken as the coordinate on the postcard. See the attached example of Madrid. The same is true for Boston, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro and Copenhagen (You can try it!)

As already mentioned many posts before (I gues in the long trailhead thread) there is one exception: London. Not sure if this is an important clue.

If someone still suspects some speciality behind the coordinates he can ask google.
I wonder how Jorge and his friends knew about the coordinates Google Earth uses Wink

So I guess the important thing is "but how do they fit together".

[EDIT] For Boston this only holds if the ambiguous number is 9 and not 4. Will update the wiki!
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AUZ505 wrote:
Perhaps some people will be disappointed, but I am pretty sure there is nothing special regarding the concrete coordinates on the postcard (also no station theory).


So you think Ariadne asking us to solve the puzzle of the postcard is a dead end then? Kinda makes you think that there is something more to it.
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I think its important but I am wondering if we have what need to solve it...

Do we have all the info we need YET? Or with more info as the story goes on will we see how it fits together??

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Weezel wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:
Perhaps some people will be disappointed, but I am pretty sure there is nothing special regarding the concrete coordinates on the postcard (also no station theory).


So you think Ariadne asking us to solve the puzzle of the postcard is a dead end then? Kinda makes you think that there is something more to it.


No I do not think the mission is dead!
I only guess that the puzzle is not connected to the specific points the coordinates show us. It is more related to the cities itself (Madrid, London, ...).

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AUZ505 wrote:

These are simply the coordinates you get, if you put the cities' name into Google Earth. The next point with a resolution of 0.001° is taken as the coordinate on the postcard. See the attached example of Madrid. The same is true for Boston, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro and Copenhagen (You can try it!)


When using Google Maps, if I put in the city as listed, zoom all the way in, and check the "link" Url, you can see the Lat/Lon but it's not always exact, its certainly close. Google Earth sounds like it's right on though.

However, what that leads me to brainstorm is that the default location of a city without any other specification is the geographic center of each of them. So they weren't just in the city, but they were at the absolute center of it.

When combined with our labyrinth discussions, we know that they have to be at the center of them to start, so that gives us a pointer back to that again.
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Weezel wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:

These are simply the coordinates you get, if you put the cities' name into Google Earth. The next point with a resolution of 0.001° is taken as the coordinate on the postcard. See the attached example of Madrid. The same is true for Boston, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro and Copenhagen (You can try it!)


When using Google Maps, if I put in the city as listed, zoom all the way in, and check the "link" Url, you can see the Lat/Lon but it's not always exact, its certainly close. Google Earth sounds like it's right on though.

However, what that leads me to brainstorm is that the default location of a city without any other specification is the geographic center of each of them. So they weren't just in the city, but they were at the absolute center of it.

When combined with our labyrinth discussions, we know that they have to be at the center of them to start, so that gives us a pointer back to that again.


I would suggest that we use Google Earth instead of Google Maps, because of that reference in the trailer...

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I tried finding documentation or discussion somewhere on how Google decides to center itself on a city or place to see if it somehow the center, but I haven't found a definitive link yet.

Actually, though, I found this in a group mailing list post from a Google Rep in Oct 2007 explaining another topic, but he confirms that a city without an address centers on the city.

***Why can't I view maps of other countries in English?
All of our maps are provided in their local language. You can still
perform many searches using the Latin alphabet and English equivalents
on Google Maps. For example, searching for [ Tokyo, Japan ] will take
you right to the city center:

So I would say that it confirms that the coordinates are the city centers in each of these locations, which is pretty significant.
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Perhaps we are looking at this from the wrong angle.

Ariadne wrote:
Even if we know where they map to, how do they fit together?


How are these places related? The cities probably more so than the exact locations... Something happen in each of these places similar to each other maybe?

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Isaac Dodgson wrote:
Perhaps we are looking at this from the wrong angle.

Ariadne wrote:
Even if we know where they map to, how do they fit together?


How are these places related? The cities probably more so than the exact locations... Something happen in each of these places similar to each other maybe?


[SPEC]I think that the places were cities where the agonothetai put their training labyrinths (there was -and is- one training labyrinth for each agonothethai). We have to ask Monica for more information about Alfredo and Madrid (im doing that, but she is in holly week vacations)... i think that the start point of the whole investigation is Madrid.

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I do not think that these are the training locations. Taking Chapter 4 into account the training locations where those other 6 places here .

So what do they have in common:
- All are candidates for upcoming olympic games (which should not be known during Jorge's time)
- All of them have a subway/metro system (but some are quite new)

I have nor found any other commons so far (besides some really minor ones, like beeing on a list of tour data of Genesis, U2 ... or beeing part of the ATLAS cooperation like several other cities.

Putting just the city names into google search does not really help. but I keep on searching Smile

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SPEC

I keep looking for things that may bring the areas together - like building designs, patterns on the pavements, anything that gives some kind of link. When you view the designs on a map there does not seem to be any connection unless the areas are the start points for chapters in the book.
Or maybe it is where people had to gather to form a maze so that the athletes could return to their world. However the areas dont seem big enough.
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