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[RING][MISSIONS] Solve the puzzle of the wave forms
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Elizabeth123
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 		What language is the third row down? It looks almost like a mathematical formula, including the psi wave function (u with a line through it), which is part of the Schrodinger equation. (Although for all I know it might be Japanese.)

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:53 pm
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swirl
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 		the most visible on the back would be the title of the book if it's waveform#1:
olympics.wikibruce.com/images/c/cc/Mysterious_notes.jpg

like all the other pages we know with waveforms have prints
and this page as it appears on thelostring.com looks like being removed from a book, regarding the brown stripe from glue

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:16 pm
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Tronex
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 		Backside
swirl wrote:
the most visible on the back would be the title of the book if it's waveform#1:
olympics.wikibruce.com/images/c/cc/Mysterious_notes.jpg

like all the other pages we know with waveforms have prints
and this page as it appears on thelostring.com looks like being removed from a book, regarding the brown stripe from glue


Just wanted to mention an earlier post of mine:
http://blog.trimagination.de/2008/03/21/find-the-lost-ring-cassels-national-library/lang/en/

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:46 pm
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mgelles
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 		I was hoping a discussion of how the story and the puzzle related wouldn't be seen as entirely irrelevant. i've always liked solving puzzles and much more a thinker than anything else just not good at math. Sorry
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joeyhess
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swirl wrote:
the most visible on the back would be the title of the book if it's waveform#1:
olympics.wikibruce.com/images/c/cc/Mysterious_notes.jpg


That's right, you can see the "W" from "Wisdom of the ancients" showing through in the upper-left of the image I posted.

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joeyhess
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 		Re: Backside
Tronex wrote:

Just wanted to mention an earlier post of mine:
http://blog.trimagination.de/2008/03/21/find-the-lost-ring-cassels-national-library/lang/en/


Nice.. Does it look to you like the small peice of paper could almost be bound into the book? Sort of like a magazine insert. Look at how it curves into the spine, and on the other side it doesn't seem to be pasted down at all.

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mr.judkins
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 		Re: Backside
Tronex wrote:
Just wanted to mention an earlier post of mine:
http://blog.trimagination.de/2008/03/21/find-the-lost-ring-cassels-national-library/lang/en/


Wow, I hadn't seen that last time, Tronex - well spotted! Very Happy

I've dug a little deeper, and have started a new thread regarding the Bacon / Macaulay reference...

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bux
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AUZ505 wrote:
Solution #1a:
Step 1: Start with Yes-No (10).
Step2:
- Yes will become Yes-No (add 10) --> 1010
- No will become No-Yes (add 01) --> 101001
Step 3:
Both (Yes-No) and (No-Yes) will collapse to No (add two times 0) --> 10100100
That is the correct solution for the IP

Solution #1b:
Step 1: Start with No-Yes (01).
Step2:
- No will become No-Yes (add 01) --> 0101
- Yes will become Yes-No (add 10) --> 010110

Step 3:
Both (Yes-No) and (No-Yes) will collapse to No (add two times 0) --> 01011000
That is the waveform 1 from the book.


I follow you completely on this one, and I'm wondering if this could be they key to solving the puzzle. In other words: We were given 2 possible "solutions" to waveform 1, and maybe what we need to do is find the alternate "solutions" for the remaining 3 waveforms in order to arrive at a new IP address?

In the case of waveform 3, this is pretty simple: Just reverse the initial states and follow the "rules" of this waveform, which produces 01010101 = 85.

I created a chart to get a better overview of the problem (see attachment below).

Not sure how you could apply the same transformation to the 2 remaining waveforms.

You could start waveform 2 with a "no", but then how do you complete it? I can't see how you can deduct the necessary rules from the initial solution.

Waveform 4 I don't get at all. What are the rules here?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:37 pm
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chuck.child
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 		My first input
So, looking at all of this, Im gonna take this tact. I know it produces an array of answers, but a lot less than too many, and a lot more than nothing:

Each existing pattern is one example of a possible set. There are a set of assumptions implicit in each set. We can remove as many of those assumptions as we like, and each assumption removed produces more possible answers. . . Which may not be the best approach, but is an approach I have used in the past, to produce shotgun-style success. Each set is just my take, and I encourage others to take different tacts. In each set, I will list the assumptions, and note the ones I have messed with to produce my possible answer set.

Pattern one Assumptions:
One on Left (Removed)
Number duplicates itself down left, and creates it's oposite down right (Removed)
Central pairing produces duplication in bottom row (kept)



Pattern two Assumptions:
One at top (removed)
Top number maintains dominance in recombination (Kept)*
Branchings are made with the dominant branching left (Removed)
Binary number produced should have a 0 at the left, to make 8 digits (Produced two sets, one with a leading, and one with a trailing)

*(Note, this could be seein instead as row combines numerically, which I did not pursue, but it's possible results are reflected in my result set nonetheless, as the only answers it produces are a subset of answers produced by my process)

Pattern 3 Assumptions:
One begins at lefy (Removd)
One branches Right (Removed)
Third row reflects First row* (Kept)
*
This could be incorrect, perhaps someone would like to check 'Center Pair set Bottom row', but I did not, because the name 'Double Simple Cycle' made me think otherwise

Pattern 4 Assumptions:
Prime row sets bottom row (kept)
Prime row is One (Removed)
One branches Left (Removed)

The results of my exploration have produced this:

First octet: 155, 100, or 91
Second Octet: 91, 182, 18, 36, or 72
Third Octet: 170, 105, or 85
Fourth Octet: 170, 85, or 42

In other words, from my assumptions, 135 possible IP addresses to test.

I will report back on my testing, as I check them out. . . .But if somoene else wants to start, I can let them know I will be starting with the 155's first, so starting with the 91's would be efficient.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:15 pm
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chuck.child
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 		Well, thanks to

http://www.analogpoint.com/tools/iphostname.php

It was a snap.

91.91.170.170 170.170.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.170.85 85.170.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.170.42 42.170.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.105.170 170.105.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.150.85 85.150.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.150.42 42.150.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.85.170 170.85.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.85.85 85.85.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.91.85.42 42.85.91-91.rev.gaoland.net ---
91.18.170.170 p5B12AAAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.18.170.85 p5B12AA55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.18.170.42 p5B12AA2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.18.105.170 p5B1269AA.dip.t-dialin.net ---
91.18.150.85 p5B129655.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.18.150.42 p5B12962A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.18.85.170 p5B1255AA.dip.t-dialin.net ---
91.18.85.85 p5B125555.dip.t-dialin.net ---
91.18.85.42 p5B12552A.dip.t-dialin.net ---
91.36.170.170 p5B24AAAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.36.170.85 p5B24AA55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.36.170.42 p5B24AA2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.36.105.170 p5B2469AA.dip.t-dialin.net ---
91.36.150.85 p5B249655.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.36.150.42 p5B24962A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ---
91.36.85.170 p5B2455AA.dip.t-dialin.net ---
91.36.85.85 p5B245555.dip.t-dialin.net ---
91.36.85.42 p5B24552A.dip.t-dialin.net ---


Those are the only valid IP addresses in the set. I will begin checking them now.

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chuck.child
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 		Nevermind. Down those roads to not lie answers, unfortunately.

All dead.

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joeyhess
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chuck.child wrote:
Well, thanks to

http://www.analogpoint.com/tools/iphostname.php

It was a snap.

[...]

Those are the only valid IP addresses in the set. I will begin checking them now.


An IP address does not have to have a reverse DNS entry to be "valid". For example, the IP address of the secret site does not have a reverse DNS address.

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joeyhess
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chuck.child wrote:
Nevermind. Down those roads to not lie answers, unfortunately.

All dead.


The following IP addresses are pingable from the set you described:

up 91.18.170.85
up 91.18.105.85
up 91.18.85.170
up 91.18.85.85
up 91.18.85.42
up 91.36.105.170
up 91.36.105.42

None of these are listening on port 80, and I haven't (and don't plan to) check any other ports.

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VictorSueiro
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 		I'm sure that this puzzle is related to the GRAPH in the secret site. The graph change in 1815. I've found that there was a big volcano eruption in Indonesia that year (51.000 victims):

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambora

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rupaZero
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Elizabeth123 wrote:
What language is the third row down? It looks almost like a mathematical formula, including the psi wave function (u with a line through it), which is part of the Schrodinger equation. (Although for all I know it might be Japanese.)


It is Japanese. It says, 'korette nani?' which as you might expect, approximately means, 'What's this all about?'

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