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[RING][MISSIONS] Sofia - Monica's Postcard
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VictorSueiro
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 		Monica's email.... translate pls!

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Bueno, pues al final he ido esta tarde a visitar a mi tía. Compré una
planta bonita y una tarjeta con un gatito. (Al final no he podido
encontrar la planta Cola de gato, jeje, una pena).



Cuando entré en el portal me empecé a poner nerviosa. No había
llamado para avisar de que iba, para no darle pie a que me dijera que
no se me ocurriera aparecer por allí. Y confiaba en que al pillarla
desprevenida, fuera más sencillo liarla para que me dejara entrar. Pero
mientras subía en el ascensor ya no me parecía tan buena idea. Esperaba
que no se lo tomara muy mal.

Una vez frente a la puerta llamé al timbre. No se escuchaba nada...
esperé un rato. No sabía si es que no estaba en casa o si no me habría
oído. Pero no me atrevía a llamar otra vez para no molestar. Solo me
faltaba irritarla más. Notaba que me sudaban las manos. ¡Tenía que
conseguir entrar a toda costa y no podía permitirme ningún fallo!
Entonces escuché los pasos lentos al otro lado de la puerta. Contuve el
aliento mientras se escuchaban los cerrojos descorrerse... Y la puerta
se entreabrió.

Mi tía me miraba con cara de malas pulgas, y antes de que le diera
tiempo a decirme que me fuera de allí empecé a hablar. Le dije que
sentía haberla molestado y que lo único que pretendía era reforzar los
lazos familiares. Que en esos días había estado pensando mucho en lo
triste que es perder a la familia, que es lo más importante... y que le
había traído un regalito.

Se quedó un rato callada, como intentando asimilar la información.
Me miraba fijamente, luego a las macetas, luego a mí de nuevo... Ese
instante se me hizo eterno, y cuando parecía que me iba a cerrar la
puerta en las narices me dijo: "pasa". ¡No me lo podía creer, había
funcionado! (gracias por la idea Javier )

Me preparó algo de merienda y nos pusimos a charlar. Siguiendo
vuestras indicaciones, no saqué el tema de los objetos de mi tío abuelo
nada más empezar. Siguiendo los consejos de Tenchizard, le dije que
estaba haciendo una especie de investigación genealógica de mi familia,
y que estaba buscando los detalles que hacen único a cada uno de los
familiares. Y antes de preguntar por Alfredo, le dije que si podía
contarme ella cosas interesantes sobre su vida, que debía ser
fascinante, y todo eso. ¡Y en qué momento! Se puso a hablar y me tuvo
una hora contándome batallitas (y nada interesante para nuestra
investigación). Cuando estaba a punto de dormirme, intenté sacar el
tema con tacto. Le conté que ya sabía ella lo mucho que quería al bueno
de Alfredo, y que me apetecía ver algunas de sus cosas, para meterlas
también en la investigación genealógica. Sobre todo cosas sobre la
historia aquella del Hombre del Laberinto que tanto le gustaba contar.

Así que al final accedió a enseñarme el despacho que solía usar
Alfredo y donde estaban sus cosas... Y madre mía. No os podeis hacer
una idea. Estaba LLENO de cosas. Me pasé media hora buscando entre
carpetas, papeles, periódicos viejos, libros... pero no encontré nada
interesante. Mi tía se comenzaba a inquietar, y me traía cosas que ella
creía que me ayudarían, pero que para nuestra investigación no nos
servía de nada, como un sombrero viejo, o un pañuelo. Así que al cabo
de un rato me dijo que ya estaba bien, que le parecía un tanto
irrespetuoso revolver de aquella manera entre las cosas personales de
Alfredo. Añadió que estaba un poco agotada y que sería mejor que me
fuera. Como no quería importunarla demasiado, accedí y me marché.

Y aquí estoy ahora, de vuelta en casa y dándole vueltas a esta
historia. Estoy SEGURA de que tiene que haber algo interesante. El
problema está en encontrarlo. Si tan sólo supiéramos lo que tenemos que
buscar. ¿Se os ocurre algo? ¿Alguna idea? ¡Os necesito!

Besos,
mónica[/quote]

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 		I'm sure someone will have a full translation up soon, but here's the gist:

She managed to get into her Aunt's place (thanks to an idea from Javier), and speak with her about family history (thanks to an idea from Technizard). Eventually they got on to her uncle and his story of the man of the labyrinth. She was finally able to have a look through his office, only to discover a wealth of TOO MUCH information. Finally she and her aunt give up - they simply don't know exactly what they're looking for.

This seems to be the same as it was with Eli - as far as I know the last we heard of him was the email to me - which was a response to a direct question: We think there are three questions missing in the personality test, do you know anything about that?

So we need to predict precisely what Monica might be able to find, before she'll go back and look...

As I say - this is what I gather from it, but I'm sure we'll receive further enlightenment from a full translation - or at least a fleshed out story... Smile

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 		Uff... here goes a translation...
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Well, so finally I've gone this evening to visit my aunt. I bought a nice plant and a card with a kitty (I couldn't finde the "cat's tail" plant, jeje, what a pity).

Once in front of the door, I rang the bell, Nothing could be heard... I waited for a little while. I didn't know if she was not at home or if she hadn't heard me. But I didn't dare to ring again so not to disturb her. Irritating her was the only thing I couldn't do. I felt my hands sweating. I had to get in there anyhow and couldn't let me fail! Then I heard the slow steps on the other side of the door. I kept my breath while the locks opened... and the door opened a little.

My aunt was looking at me with an angry face, and before she could tell me to go away, I began talking. I told her I was sorry to disturb her, and that the only thing I was trying was to strengthen family ties. (I told her) that in the last days I had been thinking about how sad it is to loose your family, which is the most important thing... and that I had brought her a little gift.

Se was silent for a while, as if she was trying to assimilate the information. Then she stared at me, then the plants, then me again... that instant look eternal, and when she sheemed to close the door she said: "come ine". I couldn't believe it, It had worked! (thanks Javier for the idea Wink )

She prepared something to eat and then we began chatting. Following your indications, I didn't bring the subject of my granduncle from the start. Following Tenchizard's tips, I told her I was doing some kind of genealogical investgacion on my family, and that I was looking for the details that make each person unique. Before asking about Alfredo, I told her to tell me things about her own life, which should have been fascinating and all that. And what an idea! She began talking and kept telling her adventures for an hour (and nothing was interesting for our investigation). When I was about to fall asleep, I tried to bring on the subject carefully. I told her I knew how much she loved good Alfredo, and that I wanted to see some of his things, to put them in the genealogical investigation. Specially things about that story of The man from the Labyrinth that he liked to tell us about so much.

So she agreed to show me the office Alfredo used which was full of his things... And you can't make an idea. It was FULL of stuff. I spent half an hour searching among documents, old newspapers, books... but I couldn't find anything interesting. My aunt was getting nervous, and brought me things she thought would help me, but not really for our investigation, like an old hat, or a handkerchief. So, after some time, she told me it was enough, and that she thought it was a bit direspectful to mess with Alfredo's personal belongings like this. She said she was a bit tired and that it would be better if I left. As I didn't want to annoy her, I did so.

So here I'm now, back at home and thinking about this story. I'm SURE there must be something interesting. The problem is finding it. If we just knew what he had to look for... Do you have any idea? I need you!


Ok, there it goes. Hope it helps

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 		Diego has posted the following message and photos in his forums:

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Aquí están las fotos de Mónica. Necesitamos una pista sobre qué buscar... pero... ¿qué?



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Here are the pictures of Monica. We need a clue about what to look for ... But ... What?

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 		Who here has seen chapter ten from Buenos Aires? It talks about Parallel Geography; a basic summary is that all the worlds must connect for athletic synchronisation, but this is harder than you'd think. There could be dramatic changes in the geography of different worlds. Paris on one world could be the middle of the Atlantic Ocean in another, or the top of Mt. Everest, and so on.

Basically, a world needs to choose at least six training sites to connect them to as many worlds as possible. Sofia are responsible for co-ordinating this; the event must be synchronised within the six sites of one world and with the other sites of many worlds.

Six sites, eh? Six pictures in the Shanghai documents... six sites... and also the six co-ordinates on Monica's postcard... six agonothetai... six continents - whoops, sorry, did I say that? I meant five. Or did I?

So, co-ordinating the sites. Big job. Anyone know the phone number of my counterpart in the next world? It could come in handy right now. Maybe B-Brodie knows more than I do... who'm I kidding? Ariadne probably knows more than I do, and she's got amnesia Razz.

[x-posted to Shanghai thread]
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 		Just a (crazy) thought:

Is there a possibility to "calculate" where the the six Postcard cities would be on Pangaea ?

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 		Delphi in six worlds?
Just posted this on another thread, but I'm wondering how the metaverse revelations tie into the instruction: "When you ready to receive data look to delphi"

>>
Perhaps "look to Delphi" means finding the Delphis of the six other worlds? ...and maybe having each athlete/labyrinths orient towards one of the Delphis?
>>

And more relevant to this thread specifically, perhaps the postcard with all the coordinates corresponds to the locations of Delphis in other metaverses?

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AUZ505 wrote:
Just a (crazy) thought:

Is there a possibility to "calculate" where the the six Postcard cities would be on Pangaea ?


Dude, if you can figure out where they are based on the clump-map, you are a better Sofia than me. I'll have a go, but here's the map I'll be working from, so it might take some time.

Also.

L'el wrote:
Perhaps "look to Delphi" means finding the Delphis of the six other worlds? ...and maybe having each athlete/labyrinths orient towards one of the Delphis?

And more relevant to this thread specifically, perhaps the postcard with all the coordinates corresponds to the locations of Delphis in other metaverses?


I like this. I liiiiike it. But does that mean we'd have to make training labyrinths in the same places in order to co-ordinate with Delphi? Because the sites are kinda... well... nowhere near me. Sad Or the rest of Asia-Oceania. That's cutting out a lot of the world.
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 		Double post.

Worked on that map, and I discovered it was pretty much way beyond me to place the cities in their proper places. I went and got a different map and had a better time with it. Then I went and got yet another map and ended up with this.



So, the black lines connect the cities in the order they appeared in Monica's postcard. The extra dot is a hesitant Delphi.

What do you think?
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 		[SPEC]
About the postcard. The sites in the postcard are all the same site, but in different worlds. The postcard help us to locate sites in 6 differents worlds. So, if in the world where the city is Madrid we have to locate a city 20 miles to the north from Madrid, in the world were London is the city, we have to do the same from London...

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 		This xls is the application of my hipotesis.
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 		New postcard
VictorSueiro wrote:
[SPEC]
About the postcard. The sites in the postcard are all the same site, but in different worlds. The postcard help us to locate sites in 6 differents worlds. So, if in the world where the city is Madrid we have to locate a city 20 miles to the north from Madrid, in the world were London is the city, we have to do the same from London...


A new Postcard has been found by Monica in her aunts house!
Details could be found in the wiki here and here as well as in this thread .

So Victor was right. The six locations are representing one place in six different worlds. Here the rough translation of the postcard:

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When we run the labyrinth in this world, we must know where we are in the other worlds.
My team is here in this world: N 41º 14.172, W080º 48.76824
Rakhee has calculated we are also here: N48º 8,39994, E011º 34.8
and here: N43º37.19994, E001º27.0
and here: N35º40.99986, W000º36
and here: N43º4.452, W089º24.039
and here: S15º46.8, W047º54.6
Our calculations are by now very imprecise, we depend on what Micha sees, when she can run the labyrinth on the fault lines. We are not yet always sure of what we see, nor if we are associating the aligning points correctly


The locations are:
N 41º 14.172, W080º 48.76824 --> Warren, OHIO, USA
N48º 8,39994, E011º 34.8 --> Munich, Germany
N43º37.19994, E001º27.0 --> Toulouse, France
N35º40.99986, W000º36 --> Oran, Algeria
N43º4.452, W089º24.039 --> Madison, WI, USA
S15º46.8, W047º54.6 --> Brazília, Brazil

Nevertheless I do not understand the whole thing completely. Assuming that Warren is on our Earth. Then we have to go to Munich in the World 2 to be on the same place, right? But the place on World 2 will also be "N 41º 14.172, W080º 48.76824" in their local measurement. So why calculate the coordinates of Munich in our world?

@Victor: Where did you get those 20 miles. I did not understand your xls file

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 		*hesitantly*

Mmkay.

I know we've been on and on about the six different locations; I even have them memorised (Madrid, London, Boston, Rio, Toronto, Copenhagen).

But.

With the discovery of this new postcard, and the explanation of the co-ordinates, I'm thinking...

That the five other co-ordinates? Are the location of Warren and Madrid in the other worlds.

Forget the other place names.

When you look at chapter 10, PARALLEL GEOGRAPHY, it shows that the location of Paris on Gaea is N48 o 44'00''. On Pangaea, it is different. On Pangaea, it is 55 o 45'N , 37 o 36'E. Naturally, this co-ordinate would map to a different place on our world.

This means that on the other four world-types (Nuna, Pangaea Ultima, Kenorland and Gondwana), Paris' location would be different again - giving us four more co-ordinates.

SO.

That means that when the postcard said 'We are here', that is where we are in Gaea - ie. Madrid/Warren. When it said 'and here', it referred to where we are in the other world-types - ie. Madrid/Warren in other worlds.

And THAT, mon amis, is my theory.

edit.

I was discussing this with dante on IRC chat, and this is the example I came up with. Hopefully, it'll help you decipher what I mean.

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 		Ok I tried to make a simple example, which hopefully helps in discussion.
There are three worlds. World 2 is just as World 1 only a little bit moved (one up and one left). In world three the continents are really deformed. All worlds have the three cities x,y,z

What is still not clear for me. If a synchronizing event has to be done on three "equal" places, what does this mean?:

A) using the same "city". For example x
Then we would have the following places for the labyrinth:
- World 1: x (D4 in W1)
- World 2: x (C3 in W2)
- World 3: x (F9 in W3)

In this case one could simply say to all people in the three worlds "Go to x and run a labyrinth"

B) using the same place. For example the red square at D4
Then we would have labyrinths in the following cities:
- World 1: x (D4 in W1)
- World 2: y (D4 in W2)
- World 3: z (D4 in W3)

In this case one could simply say to all people in the three worlds "Go to D4 and run a labyrinth"

So I wonder why it is necessary to calculate the coordinates of y and z in the W1 world (our world). Because the postcasr in the example would read:
We are here D4
and here E5
and here I7

[SPEC] This makes only sense if it is necessary to run the labyrinth in all places:
- World 1: x (D4 in W1) , y (E5 in W1) and z (I7 in W1)
- World 2: x (C3 in W2) , y (D4 in W2) and z (H6 in W2)
- World 3: x (F9 in W3), y (H10 in W3) and z (D4 in W3)

But then why is x and D4 the "special place" all is linked with?
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 		Hello everyone! I'm from Brazil.
Wednesday, i went to location of the coordinates, here in Rio.
It's a kind of construction, like a building, old and dirty, but isn't abandoned.
There's a "club of the port workers" in this place.

This picture is from Google Earth:
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4497711

These photos are from my cell phone:
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1381/clube1my2.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5868/clube2fb1.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9065/clube3ie1.jpg

(sorry, but my english is terrible)

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