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Eddy · Decorated Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 194

Can't say I've followed the manga that closely (for shame), but is that the first mention of the Dr. Abe?

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:10 pm

IncidentCloverfield · Decorated Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 194

Wow! Thanks Kosmo! It seems the cult is AGAINST anything harming earth... Much like TIDO...

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:26 pm

vorondill · Veteran Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 81

That blond chick can't be Jamie, she doesn't speak whatever. And that guy was being called Dr. Aiba. Also there is a nice view of the underside arms.

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:28 pm

FatmanRising · Boot Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 62

I don't think that the cult and TIDO are related. The cult is a group that worships the monster/species, and is based in Japan, while TIDO is a European-based eco-terrorist group.

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:44 pm

clover890 · Decorated Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 164

I think that group is Tido Wave because they put the sword thing on the websites and theres a sword on there and they protect earth.

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:24 pm

SlushomakesMEhappy · Decorated Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 164

holy fishsticks, thats a good picture of clover

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:28 pm

Deren-kun · Veteran Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 104

Clover and Fatman just made two polar opposite opinions back-to-back.
Good to know ideas vary here Laughing

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:30 pm

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anonimous · Veteran Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 107

Dude, you know what I just realized?

The cult says they've waited for a thousand years... Clover is just a baby...

People have seen Clover-monsters before. The alien theory is out the window, because this seems to prove that Clover's kind really IS ancient (as Abrams has suggested).
So, now, knowing that Clover is a baby and the Clovermonsters are ancient, how old IS Clover?

Sorry, a bit rambly, but I think this is a really crucial piece of the whole 'WTF is Clover?!' thing.

It also means the satalite didn't have an alien on it.

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:33 pm

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Lambo_Diablo_Svtt · Entrenched Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 914

That whole satillite carrying Clover idea made no sense anyways.

It would have to be a HELLUVA bigass satillite.

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:23 pm

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**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:42 pm

FatmanRising · Boot Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 62

**Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:52 pm

anonimous · Veteran Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 107

So here's something that just popped into my mind while I was having a smoke:
if the manga and the movie occur in the same universe, one of two things might be true:
1) The attacks on Japan and New York occur at roughly the same time, since we're led to believe that no one in New York knows what Clover is. Therefore, this might suggest more than one Clover? (We already know that's true, after all)
2) The attack on Japan occurs AFTER the movie, perhaps. That would explain why the Clover that attacks Japan starts out as CAPTURED. There's no word of New York in the manga, but it's fully possible that it's already happened, especially since the JSDF seems pretty prepared when Clover shows up on their shores.

This might not be any help at all, but what do you think?

ALSO: The Clovercult high priest's mask has horns... adult Clover, maybe?

**Posted:** Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:33 am

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FatmanRising · Boot Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 62

Anonimous: I had been thinking earlier that either they were in different universes, or it was after the fact. If I had to pick one of your two ideas, it'd be the latter. You'd think, though, that if the monster escaped back into the ocean, the military would be tracking it down the whole time, not allowing Tagruato to capture it.

Off-topic, but the mention of the Japanese Self-Defense Force reminded me: I had originally thought that it was Japan who was fighting the beast in the 1-18-08 pictures, but to my limited knowledge, the JSDF doesn't have battleships or bombers, as the title of the military implies. So maybe the US military did track it into the Ocean, but got its ass kicked. *shrug*

**Posted:** Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:45 am

anonimous · Veteran Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 107

Well, I guess Tag could have recaptured the monster, if it escaped back into the ocean. It's been down there untracked for thousands of years, so it's fully possible that the Tag knows more about it than anyone.
At the same time, though my Japanese is nowhere near on the level where I can translate the manga, the manga seems to suggest that Tag had a hand in the male protagonist's conception, and the last few pages seem to hint that they engineered him to control Clover.
Maybe that's why they kidnapped Teddy...

**Posted:** Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:01 am

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FatmanRising · Boot Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 62

My geography is for crap, so correct me if I'm wrong, but NYC is frickin' far from Japan, which I realized could give credence to the idea that the attacks are either simultaneous with two monsters, or such a long time from the NYC attack that it wouldn't still be a topic in conversation in Japan.

Either that, or the destruction shown in Kishin is covered up, or more likely, in a different continuity.

**Posted:** Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:34 am