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danman_d
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 		EMAIL CP/SAM: Insurance Policy Number
OK all, looks like we're getting in. I sent this to Collective Protective today:

Quote:
To Whom it May Concern:

My name is Dr. Stephen Faust, and I am a professor of paranormal sciences at
the State University of New Jersey. My job title is unrelated to my
question, I just felt I should introduce myself.

Yesterday, one of my students came to me asking some advice. She told me
that she trusted me and that she wanted my advice on this matter. I was, of
course, very concerned. She said she felt her life was in danger, and that
she needed her insurance policy number to obtain some information. I'm not
sure what kind of information she was attempting to attain, but she refused
to tell me. She also refused to e-mail anyone or talk to anyone, lest her
identity be revealed, and her life be put into danger. She asked me to send
out this e-mail to you, since she has a policy with you. The student asked
to remain anonymous, and said she had her insurance card sent to her by you,

but she couldn't figure which number was the policy number. I was wondering
if it would be possible for you to tell me the format of your policy numbers
(how many digits, whether the number was numeric or alphanumeric, etc.) so
that she would be able to locate this number on her card. Please respond to
this as soon as possible. The student sounded desperate, and I'm not sure
how long she can wait. Please keep this matter completely confidential.
Thank you.

Professor Stephen Faust, Ph.D.
Dept. of Paranormal Sciences
State University of New Jersey


I just got the following reply:

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Dear Dr. Faust:
No need to apologize for asking a question. That's why we are here and the
problem you are experiencing is not unusual in the least.
A Collective Protective policy number is a five digit number and is internally
called a "user identification" by our company. As such, it is often designated
by the initials "ui" in Collective Protective correspondence.
Hope that helps.

supportSPLATcollectiveprotective.com


Kudos to nohbdy for the excellent suggestion to send this email!

I'm currently sending an e-mail to Sam Green about getting the hospital stuff, using policy number 23658, I'll let you all know what happens....

-Danny D.
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danman_d
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OK all, I'm going to send this to Sam, if there are no objections:

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Mr. Green:

You don't know me, but have undoubtedly spoken to some of my colleagues recently. I am a Professor at a local University, but also a member of a group trying to help out Mr. Dale Sprague. I received e-mail from Mr. Sprague on the 28th of February, requesting help from me, and have been working diligently to help him out ever since. Please trust me, I am a friend.

Recently, it came to light that we may be able to access Mr. Sprague's unclaimed personal effects from his stay at Greatwater General Hospital, if we could access his insurance policy number. I am pleased to report that I was able to find this number. The number required is "23658". My colleagues and I found this number through Dale's giving us access to his personal e-mail. He received an e-mail with this policy number from his health insurance company.

Please do whatever you can to access Dale's effects, or at least a detailed photograph or photographs of them from Greatwater General Hospital. Good luck. My colleagues and I thank you immensely, and I'm sure Dale would as well, if it was possible for him to.

Professor Stephen Faust, Ph.D.
Dept. of Paranormal Sciences
State University of New Jersey


I will let you all know what I get back...

-Danny D.
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tatter2323
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 		Notice that in the email from Greatwater they asked for Dale's the Insurance Company Incident Report (IR) number, not his policy number, to access the photo of his effects.

Rather than send Greatwater the policy number, the correct course of action seems to be to send collective protective (recordsSPLATcollectiveprotective.com) the number so that they can set up a temporary page so we can access Dale's records and find out the incident report number.

Either you can tell Sam to send the policy number from Dale's email account or someone can spoof the address and send it themselves.

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dmax
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Remember that they responded to something like this once.

Here's one time that they were concerned regarding fraud or inappropriate requests.

I'm thinking that Bruce is the best way to go with this. Bruce has power of attorney and would be authorized to look into insurance. I've asked him if he's interested - without giving him the account number. We still don't trust him and I'd want something in return first.
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miracle
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 		yeah but
I think that Sam has the login info for dales email at synthasia and can get into his account to send mail so it would be coming from the email address on file. Also, i don't know how we could be sure of getting any info from bruce. What if when we give him the number, he turns around and disses us? then we'd be up the creek for sure, no? I dont think bruce is trustworthy and we should be careful of relying on him too much. Just my opinion tho. I think that first we should let Sam try (if he can and will) and if that doesn't work we could ask Bruce as a last resort of sorts. That way we'd be keeping more of our options open. I think.

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 		two sides, each good, each bad (maybe)
According to this email from Sam, he will email from Dale's account, which would be great. However, after the press conference and all the local gossip, the hospital may be well aware of the fact that Dale is 'occupied elsewhere'.

I agree that it may be best to go with Bruce and dmax has that in with him. However, could we/do we trust Bruce to provide us with the ticket stub if that is, indeed, where it is?

So there's 2 possibilities, each with various pros & cons:

Sam:
will give us the ticket stub number/info on what was left at the hospital (pro)
the email may be rejected (con)

Bruce:
will be able to get the artifacts with the power of atty (pro)
may not give us the ticket stub number/info on what was left at the hospital (con)

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MaggieMae
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 		Well, here are my 2 cents:

We have nothing to lose by trying to go through Sam. The worst that will happen is that the hospital will say no, at which time we contact Bruce.

However, if we try Bruce first and tip our hand, we could make things much harder for ourselves. We still do not know who's side Bruce is on. Remember, Dale did not go willingly to the institution.

maggiemae

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dmax
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I'm liking Sam as the contact person for this. Danman, I wouldn't start a new correspondence as any character trying to contact CP.

Sam sounds like he's volunteering to create a fake Dale email to get more data from CP, so we ought to go that way. I'll be glad to hear from bruce, but I think Sam's the link to this portion of it so far.
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danman_d
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 		Re: more
dmax wrote:
I'm liking Sam as the contact person for this. Danman, I wouldn't start a new correspondence as any character trying to contact CP.

Sam sounds like he's volunteering to create a fake Dale email to get more data from CP, so we ought to go that way. I'll be glad to hear from bruce, but I think Sam's the link to this portion of it so far.


OK, sounds good. So should I write an e-mail to Sam asking him to use the policy number to get the IR number from CP? Should I do this before or after I get a reply from him?

-Danny D.
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Have you already got something going with him, or would it be a totally new contact? A few of us have made reciprocal contact with him, and it should probably be done by someone he "trusts."
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danman_d
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 		Re: sam
dmax wrote:
Have you already got something going with him, or would it be a totally new contact? A few of us have made reciprocal contact with him, and it should probably be done by someone he "trusts."


Yes, I made contact with him in the e-mail telling him about the policy number (see above). I wrote this, should I send it to Sam? I will if there are no objections...

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Mr. Green-

This is Dr. Faust again. I e-mailed you earlier this evening. I realized that I made a mistake when contacting you last. I sent you Dale's insurance policy number, but what we need to get Dale's personal effects from Greatwater General is his Incident Report number.

I do not know the Incident Report number from Dale's accident, but I believe I know how we can obtain it. Dale's health insurance was through a company called Collective Protective, and I believe that we can obtain this number from them. Could you send an e-mail to supportSPLATcollectiveprotective.com from Dale's e-mail address asking them to set up a temporary records page, then to send the details to Dale's address? I believe they could set up a page with the details about Dale's policy, including the Incident Report number we need to access Dale's personal effects. In addition, please send an e-mail to my temporary personal e-mail address, saturn5rocketSPLAThotmail.com, to let me know what you found out. This is very important information that we need access to as soon as possible, and the e-mail inbox that my colleagues and I have access to only archives and shows the new emails once every 24 hours, at midnight EST.

Thanks for all your help. Hopefully we will be able to obtain some very valuable information regarding Dale's current state, and what the best thing for him will be.

Professor Stephen Faust, Ph.D.
Dept. of Paranormal Sciences
State University of New Jersey


Let me know...

-Danny D.
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 		Go ahead.
It looks like it's always worthwhile to attack via e-mail with different perspectives. Go ahead and go for it!

I sent this earlier:
Quote:
Sam, we finally have some data that you needed. The policy number for Dale
with Collective Protective is "23658".

Referencing that policy number, maybe you could create a letter "from
Dale" to the company, asking them more. Anything we can get from them
would be helpful, I think.

This is so muddled now that I'm not interested in trying to find something
too specific. I think that all the data we can get can help fill in the
big picture.

Are you up for it? I think the help would be appreciated!

(Also, any luck with other photos of the graffiti around town? That's so
weird, that it's caught my attention. Doesn't seem to be related to Dale,
does it?)

Thanks
Dan

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butterflyer22
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 		Another thing we may want to ask Sam to obtain from CP is a reprint of Explaination of Benifits. This way we could know what doctors have been treating Dale and where he is actually being treated. Plus what type of medical treatment Dale is receiving. Most insurance companies will send these out with an account name and number.

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Misgizmo
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 		policy #
I'm wondering if the policy number is just 23658 or if it should be preceded by the "ui" to make it "ui23658". I don't have the email in front of me but something I read in the email made me think that it should be the letters and numbers.....

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danman_d
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Got this reply today:

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Hey Professor:
You know, all this talk and e-mail about weird things and apparitions and stuff
is starting to give me the willies. "Paranormal Sciences", eh? I've never been
one to believe in all that and I get a lot of fun out of arguing with Wes
Keeler about all the stuff he believes in and claims exists right around this
area.
That damn Press Conference left me behind on my regular work and trying to
answer all this new mail about helping Dale hasn't helped either. A few people
have forwarded me that policy number and I've gone ahead and e-mailed the
insurance company from Dale's account, pretending I was Dale and telling them I
needed access to all the recent activity on my account. Hopefully it will
convince them that to start providing us some information that will help us.
As far as Dale's effects are concerned, I was going to send Greatwater General
an e-mail from Dale's account too but figured I might try and stop by there
instead since it's right down the road and see if I can just pcik them up. I
have no idea if they'll let me do this but it's worth a shot.
By the way, thanks for your trying to help Dale. I'm not quite sure why so many
people seem interested and concerned about him right now, even though I've
always thought there was something special about him. I guess I'm not the only
one who sees that.

Sam Greene
webmaster
http://www.aglauranj.org


I replied with this:

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Sam:

Glad to hear you're a skeptic regarding paranormal issues! That's actually one of the reasons I got into the field; I was tired of hearing that so-and-so's friend's cousin's next-door-neighbor's dog shot REAL video of the REAL Jersey Devil. I've always been curious about the real scientific issues behind alleged paranormal activities.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear you've been keeping busy. You never can be to sure about the economy these days. Everything you mentioned regarding obtaining info about Dale sounds great. Keep me posted.

Professor Stephen Faust, Ph.D.
Dept. of Paranormal Sciences
State University of New Jersey


-Danny D.
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