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[spec] Pious Flea as a ship name....
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 		[spec] Pious Flea as a ship name....
A friend and i have been working on this for a while, and we noticed something. "Pious Flea" is the kind of name the Covenant would give to their battleships. Much like Unyielding Hierophant, or Truth and Reconciliation. A religious word, Pious, meaning highly religious, and flea, a small creature that is incredibly hard to crush. This might explain the Theory that The Sleeping Princess is a covenant AI.

...hope this helps at all!

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 		This is totally possible, and even makes sense when put into the scenario. Koretsu just thought this up in the chat: "I think we've had it backwards. I think Princess is the Ship's AI, but she's been active too long. Queen was activated to replace her, but queen was damaged. SPDR is trying to repair queen, and TSP is hiding from queen, knowing she's slated for death/deletion.... What do you think?" If the Pious Flea is indeed a ship, that would give this theory a lot of weight.

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 		Great point, we'll see how this is carried out, I'll jsut watch, I'm ahlf clueless on htis topic at the moment.

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 		Wow . . . that is a great one. I have had that on the tip of my tongue for awhile. just did not know how to put it! Wink

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 		I think it's been posted before, but either way I reckon you could be onto something...
Don't forget, at the end of book three Cortana and MC fled on a Covenant Cruiser... and IIRC it was NEVER named...

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 		At the end of book three the admiral and the intelligence officer take the Covenant warship as a lure so that all the other covie ships will get close to the Unyielding Hierophant. (So its totally destroyed).

The ship cortana/MC escape on is the USNC Gettysburg.


ObOnTopic:
Yeah, pious flea does sound like a cov name.

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theodred wrote:
At the end of book three the admiral and the intelligence officer take the Covenant warship as a lure so that all the other covie ships will get close to the Unyielding Hierophant. (So its totally destroyed).

The ship cortana/MC escape on is the USNC Gettysburg.


ObOnTopic:
Yeah, pious flea does sound like a cov name.

Bast! So they do. I've just re-read books 1 & 2, but I'm waiting on book 3 arriving from my friend.

Gah, I need to read it again.

Thanks for correcting me. Smile

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 		Except that a flea is a earth animal.

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 		Flea? Not a ship, something smaller.
Well, humans can name their ships pretty funkily too. Pillar of Autumn. But yes, Pious Flea does seem to be in the style of the Covenant. Only...most Covenant ship names seem to be these grandiose things. Unyielding Hierophant. Truth and Reconciliation.

I think, the Pious Flea may be something smaller.

In The Fall of Reach the UNSC Iroqouis was latched onto by an autonomous probe after the battle at Sigma Octanus IV. Something like that, without the honor of being piloted by an Elite, might be called a Flea.

Killer-of-Lawyers wrote:
Except that a flea is a earth animal.


You'd have a point, except all the Covenant ships we've refered to have human names. They seem to be on-the-fly translations made by humans. I.E. When we say a ship is called Truth and Reconciliation, it's because the name in Covenantese is something similar. Is it beyond the pale that the Covenant encountered some small, mobile, blood-sucking parasite as they spread across the galaxy?

Thus encounter things like Earth animals in Covenant ships names are vagaries of translation, not plot holes.

Luke P.

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 		Halo's ship names (and a lot of the themes in the Halo/Marathon universe) seem to be based on the style used by British author Ian M Banks in his "Culture" science fiction novels. (The GSV So Much For Subtlety; GCU Of Course I Still Love You; the dROU Frank Exchange Of Views (Psychopath Class), and so on.) "Pious Flea" certainly does sound like a ship name in that vein.

Textually, however, I don't think it makes a lot of sense. The Pious Flea is described as "so small that even the Widow, with her sharp eyes, could hardly see him, and when she looked his way, he hid." Since the Widow/SPDR is an internal process, it seems unlikely that she would be looking (or have the capability to look) for an external spacecraft. Furthermore, if you accept the three-track story theory as posted on the wiki, SPDR directly references both the Princess and the Flea as two rogue processes with "unknown damage." I still think we're dealing with four AIs or applications.

Weeg, your theory is interesting. Certainly worth keeping an eye on ....

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 		I think that this line:

Quote:
Know the enemy.

Young and out of uniform, /// but one of us. Hacker? Traitor? Fifth columnist (no that's ridiculous


Shows that the Operator recognizes Dana as "one of us" or human, so that would work against it being an alien AI.

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Longshot wrote:
I think that this line:

Quote:
Know the enemy.

Young and out of uniform, /// but one of us. Hacker? Traitor? Fifth columnist (no that's ridiculous


Shows that the Operator recognizes Dana as "one of us" or human, so that would work against it being an alien AI.


well, that's just Melissa/Operator, what about the Princess/Flea, all roads point to another human AI, child/offshoot of Melissa, but..... there's still that little bit of lingering doubt
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CoffeeJedi wrote:

well, that's just Melissa/Operator, what about the Princess/Flea, all roads point to another human AI, child/offshoot of Melissa, but..... there's still that little bit of lingering doubt


I think we've run into a cross of two of my theorys. (I'm Koretsu, by the way. Posting like this till the confirmation email makes it to my inbox)

The theory that Queen is a sucessor to Princess would mean thier both human AI. The note about Pious Flea is just a point of interest that might help us later.

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 		Pious Flea == allegorical name
Not to rain on your parade, but we really need to focus on keeping allegorical names and literal names separate.

The Pious Flea is only referred to as such in the story that the Wiki calls The Widow's Journey. In that story, at least two characters with real world names we know about, The Operator/Melissa and the SPDR, are referred to with allegorical equivalents: The Queen and The Widow, respectively.

This would seem to imply that in the in-game "real world" where ships might have names like "Truth and Reconcilliation", the analogue to The Pious Flea of the story is called something else, don't you think?

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 		Re: Pious Flea == allegorical name
Extrasonic wrote:
Not to rain on your parade, but we really need to focus on keeping allegorical names and literal names separate.

The Pious Flea is only referred to as such in the story that the Wiki calls The Widow's Journey. In that story, at least two characters with real world names we know about, The Operator/Melissa and the SPDR, are referred to with allegorical equivalents: The Queen and The Widow, respectively.

This would seem to imply that in the in-game "real world" where ships might have names like "Truth and Reconcilliation", the analogue to The Pious Flea of the story is called something else, don't you think?


Do we have any other designation for Flea and Princess, yet? We don't, so we can't assume they have another designation until we discover it.

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