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What should we do?

The login is OOG, shutup n00b.
44%
 44%  [ 13 ]
The login is in-game but hacking isn't an option.
31%
 31%  [ 9 ]
The login is in-game, and we should totally break the sucker.
24%
 24%  [ 7 ]

Total Votes : 29

 
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[LOCKED] [PUZZ][QUES]Using brute force on the login (don't freak out)
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Weeg
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[PUZZ][QUES]Using brute force on the login (don't freak out)

First off, my name is Weeg, and I'm new to the boards. Hey. Glad to be here. I've been handing around in the channel a bit, and hope to have some fun trying to figure this out with you all.

Now here's my thing. The login prompt that's been discovered recently ( http://www.ilovebees.com/net.!act|drop.html ) brought up a discussion in the chat about wether it's in-game or not, and if it is, what we are to do with it. There are arguments for and against it being in-game. Mine is that it is, which is evidenced by the similar structure of the commands that SPDR has been using on the site. Truth be told, any words work ( http://www.ilovebees.com/beer|biscuits.html will work, for example), but you need the bar there. This leads to the thinking that we may not only need a username/pass to get in, but also a "correct" command. We don't know what this command might be, but if we were to get past the login, that might clarify wether or not this is the case.

The object of this thread is to get a general concescus on wether or not we should try to break through the login. Worst case scenario is we get in, it turns out to be some sort of admin site, we back off, and whoever does it doesn't share the password. It seems like we're still missing something, and this might be it' It's pretty much the strongest possibility right now.

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darkphan
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Its OOG. Read Danas blog. She says the following:

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I don't want it to be your problem either. (And you can stop trying to hack into my email, voicemail, and web site... good grief.)


'nuff said.

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Weeg
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That's a valid point, but I just think the evidence goes against it in this case. We should at LEAST run some sort of word list through in case there is something. Let's also not forget that the entity that sent us the mail from ladybee777 mentioned that she had found and hidden a secret. That can't be overlooked.

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darkphan
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Weeg wrote:
That's a valid point, but I just think the evidence goes against it in this case. We should at LEAST run some sort of word list through in case there is something. Let's also not forget that the entity that sent us the mail from ladybee777 mentioned that she had found and hidden a secret. That can't be overlooked.


Well, if it said to "hack the site and find the secret" that would be valid. But, in the letter is says that if we persuade Dana to "come back" that it will then tell us the secret. That does not imply that we should hack the site or anything. That can't be overlooked!

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penchanski
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I was thinking about this as well last night. (I didn't know that the login had been discovered then). Thing is she says:
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I dragged you into this. Yes. But forget about it. It's over.

I don't want www.ilovebees.com to be my problem anymore.

I don't want it to be your problem either. (And you can stop trying to hack into my email, voicemail, and web site... good grief.)


So she's saying "don't get involved at all and especially don't hack my stuff"

Given that as a PM she obviously doesn't want us to walk away completely then can we not assume that the entire statement is given "in-character" and in fact game-wise we should be hacking away like mad?

Secondly, at that point had anyone actually being trying to hack the website? Not that I know of...

So I think that we should go for it - if the login is something like DanaTwing/YellowHallPass then it's obviously meant to be in-game. If it's not in-game we're not going to get in without brute-force anyway so where's the harm?

Perhaps Dana is now gone for good and it's up to us to take over by impersonating her?

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penchanski
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Sorry - that's not very clear above. I'm saying we shouldn't use general brute force but should try to get in using in-game words and phrases.

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She has said over and over, "Do not try to hack the e-mail, voicemail, or any of that stuff." Ok, not a direct quote, but she has said it again and again. I take the PM wishes at face value: DO NOT TRY TO LOG IN TO THE VOICEMAIL OR E-MAIL!
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BoonIsha
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im with weeg on this one. seems like too much of a coincedence that she offered us commands with pipes in them, never mind they are commin in unix, and the PMs didnt disable them on the server. it should have been a simple fix...not to mention we ARE missing something on the site for sure. this could be it.

and like weeg said, and we talked about last night, if someone gets in, and its not IG, back off, and try to let the PMs know you got in, and ask them to change the Pass. i think they would understand, i know i would.

boon

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babbler
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I went ahead and took a look at both the page that comes up and the Netcraft data for the site. Seems like the host providers are running a deprecated version of Apache on Windows (1.3.19). There are known bugs with handling pipe characters in versions of Apache/Win prior to 1.3.24. That's probably what we're seeing when sending the "Widow" command line to the web server.

In other words, move along here, nothing to see here. Trying to brute-force the web server is:

1. Not part of the game;
2. A bad idea on a large number of real-world grounds;
3. Unlikely to successfully open up the site; and
4. Likely to cause the host provider to shut down the site over security concerns.

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Dorkmaster
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This is my first official ARG, so I don't have the sensibilities of say Fireball, or Magesteff or Varin, or so... but at the same time, I feel this would be going over the edge. If we get clue evidence as to what the login password may be, then I say all for it, use the words we have. However, if it's a matter of just brute forcing passwords till they work, using some dictionary list, then I say no way, not the spirit of the game. I think everyone agrees that this login thing has been around, and been discussed long enough that the PM has to know we know about it. So they could have disabled it already, so I do tend to think it's in game. But at the same time, this is not the way to go about it. I value that we have a poll about it, though, because I very much appreciate the option to speak on this topic before you guys tried it. Great use of the poll! But I voted for the second option: In game, but don't do it this way...
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The Search link is your friend. The Search link helps you help us reduce clutter and redundant topics. The Search link helps you find this topic, in which the use of the pipe character (that little vertical line thing: | ) in URLs, no matter what the URL, causes this error to appear.

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I noticed that the exact same prompt comes up if you try to get to any page on ILB that has a pipe (|) in its name. It doesn't even mean that such a page exists.

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If it's some standard software package we can assume that we've found a PM behind-the-curtain door and leave it alone.


Dana, flat out, says no brute forcing the site (or Hotmail or voicemail). I am not sure what part of "no" people are failing to understand. If we must start brute forcing something, it will come up in the context of the story and WE WILL KNOW. It will be as obvious as a cold, slimy, blubbery trout to the face.

Until that time, brute forcing--and the associated waste of CPU and bandwidth--only causes the people running the game grief and bandwidth overage charges and makes the site slow for the rest of us.
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