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jasper
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 		Maybe the second story is just a hint about how knowing more than one language helps in our task.

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 		Thank you so much for the pickup, Rivanor! (Otsukaresama, Ennjule-san!) I undestand now why it was so difficult to find the artifact during the first visit. I appreciate the photos! The textbook is much thicker than I expected.

By the way, the Esperanto word "ĉirkaŭvaganta" seems to mean "walking around", according to the Esperanto-Japanese translator program I use.

EDIT: Thank you, Hikaro! So "wandering around" should be correct. My Japanese-English translator in my head was wrong!

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lernu's definition of cxirkaux wrote:
je ĉiuj flankoj de...; proksimume


my translation wrote:
On every side of...; approximately


Note that the Esperanto preposition "je" is VERY vague and can mean practically anything by design. It is meant to be a substitute for other prepositions that cannot literally convey your meaning: Esperantists say "je la tria hora" for "at three o'clock" using je instead of cxe because cxe means at (a location). It can be described as saying "the relation expected".

So what I'm saying is that "on" is only one possible translation. "In" could also work, I think)

The English glosses for "cxirkaux" were "about, round, towards, around."

lernu's definition of vagi wrote:
iri de loko al loko sen difinita celo


my translation wrote:
To go from place to place without a definite goal


The English glosses for vagi were "roam, wander".

So cxirkauxvagi means "wander around".

~Hikaro

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 		names on the map
The names written on the greek map if you read them clockwize

1. Troy - ancient city Ilium
2. Lesvos - ancient city Mythimna
3. Smyrna - ancient city Ephesus
4. Athens - ancient city Athena
5. Lycia - ancient city Xanthos
6. Crete - i gess ancient city Knossos
7. Salamis
8. Mycinae
9. Argos
10. Pylos - ancient cit of Pylos, home of Nestor
11. Delphi
12. Thetis of Therma which makes more sence since it is the modern city of Thessaloniki

I guess these are the 12 cities on the overhead in Elis podcast - i am not sure. I am trying to figure out the connection between those cities, the obviouse one being that they all have archaeological sites.

Lycia came up on the research about the painting found in the Cardiff pickup, the one about Hercules. Any thoughts?

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 		Re: names on the map
pallada wrote:
The names written on the greek map if you read them clockwize

1. Troy - ancient city Ilium
2. Lesvos - ancient city Mythimna


See images below.

The island labeled on the map is Lesvos/Lesbos, but the label on the map is actually Chios, which is the island to the south. Akira's maps weren't so great, I guess Smile
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 		Trying to interpret this:

Quote:
Is it true that you could the building (should this be just "build?" Or is there a word missing here?) of pyramids, stone columns, monuments co-ordinated precisely with astronomical observers? Maybe. But to the builders working with you, one stone would probably be as good as another, thus in one universe they would maybe choose one, in another, would scrape away that slight piece of moss or would allow it. Having two different heaps of rocks in the same place in two different universes would not be a lot of help to you.


I'm reading this to mean that you could try to coordinate the building of Stonehenge, pyramids, etc., across multiple worlds to use for labyrinths, but that in the end there's no way to make sure those structures would be the same in each world, because the builders would use different stones, might scrape off moss in one world but not in another, etc. So trying to run a labyrinth at Stonehenge would be pointless (which you can't do anymore now anyway! There's a barricade to keep people out.) But I think this is implying that this was the reason for Stonehenge and for the pyramids in the first place, which is kind of interesting.

The other interesting part of this is the confirmation that Neopangaea happened in 1815 (on other worlds, apparently, not our own.) We'd guessed 1816 and 1814, but it looks like our original guess of 1815 was correct.

[EDIT] Is this the first time we've seen mention of Elis (where the first Olympic festival was organized?) Or am I totally forgetting another discussion? Also noticed, by reading pallada's post above where he spelled "Eli's" without an apostophe, the similarity between Eli's name and Elis...

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unagi
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Elizabeth123 wrote:
Trying to interpret this:

Quote:
Is it true that you could the building (should this be just "build?" Or is there a word missing here?) of pyramids, stone columns, monuments co-ordinated precisely with astronomical observers?


I had checked only words not translated, but I would translate that:
Will you attempt the construction of piramids, stone colonades, monuments coordinated precisely by astronomical observers?

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So trying to run a labyrinth at Stonehenge would be pointless

I rather think they say construction itself is pointless. Running in a stone labyrinth used to be held according to Ch.9.

Elis seems to have appeared in the trailers.

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 		Yes the word is actually "provus" (would try), not "povus" (could) - a corrected typewriter mistake.

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 		Since the first paragraph of the second page of Ch.17 hasn't been translated, I tried (the following). I don't know Esperanto grammar, and am weak in "English Composition", so I hope somebody else will kindly correct any errors.

Why not search across big distances to find the best runners, so that even in universes where history has gone in extensively different directions, if such a runner is born, it will be a good chance that he will run just upon that crack, on that same day?

And I put Chid12's translation on the wiki, with the above paragraph and the above "provus" correction. I hope Chid and all will be happy with this. (What shall we do with "realton", Chid?)

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unagi wrote:

And I put Chid12's translation on the wiki, with the above paragraph and the above "provus" correction. I hope Chid and all will be happy with this. (What shall we do with "realton", Chid?)


In chapter 14 the effect of all worlds collabsing into a single world has been translated as "elastic reaction". So we should take this term. I edited the wiki.

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