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[SPEC][META-ish]We're creating the opposition
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jasper
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[SPEC][META-ish]We're creating the opposition
theory about how "The O" will develop

This is a speculation about Theo, or the opposition, and I think it is a META kind of speculation, if I understand META correctly.
We have to figure out what Theo's motivations are in order to defeat him. The PM's say so through e-mail from Eli. They had Eli suggest that we ask hard questions to figure this out:
Quote:
If you were skeptical of the allies' missions to synchronize the
multiverse, how would you attack it? What hard questions would you
ask? What assumptions could be faulted in our desire to find the lost
ring and restore the multiverse olympiad?

Which sounds to me like the questions a PM would have to ask herself/himself when developing the game. ARG players have to participate in developing the story, so I am speculating that we have to create our own opposition here.

Then they had Eli use a that comment by Monique this way:
Quote:
Thank you for raising an interesting possibility. In fact, now as I ponder it, I wonder if perhaps you have shown me a truth I have been looking for. A motivation I had missed. Well. I am most grateful to you.

So, that either means that we stumbled on a predetermined motivation of TheO or that the PMs used Monique's comment to decide why/how TheO is motivated.

Over here [Chat] Ariadne 16 April (Re: Communicating with Theo) Elizabeth said
Elizabeth123 wrote:
We're going to show Theo the code and how to decipher it in the message left at the artifact location, right? [Meta]Besides, I think when we tell Ariadne what we're doing, and show her the decoder tool and the message we're sending, Theo will become smart enough to figure out the code. [/Meta]

Plus, he's got to be pretty smart, right? He's figured out how to find the artifacts, etc., so we shouldn't underestimate his intelligence.

Which is either finding outthat TheO has good Sophia skill or granting TheO Sophia skill.

While I'm speculating that we have to make up or choose our opposition, (like thinking of a giant evil Stay-puft Marshmallow Man) I'll speculate that we actually have to be our opposition. Like what happened in Hong Kong. We are currently looking for a way to plant double agents, but do we also need players to just be TheO? There was a lot of talk about players in other ARGS double crossing other players. Will that be necessary as part of the game?

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AUZ505
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I like this idea. Actually we discuss only to have people as double-agents. But perhaps there are people really wanting to joint the Opposite.

We do know that there are two sides. But why is everybody so sure that the allies are the good side and Theo is the bad side. In good stories the good ones are always the bad guys at the end Wink

Even though we do not know much about Theo and his mission and aims, I personally see a lot of things, that make me feel sceptical about the allies mission:

- They say more or less that "free will" is not dangerous thing
- You have to follow special rituals
- If you do not follow them something bad will happen to you (and the world)

That are some typical "religious" themes. You just have to believe that following the rituals is good for you, there is no proof, until the "Judgement Day".

I do not think that religion is bad in general, but I think you can do a lot of bad thinks if you have a big group of believers, especially if they think they have to fulfill a mission.

My doubts make me perfect candidate for TheO, I think Shocked

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Junesun
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Add one more reason if you like: since we started training labyrinths, there have been two major earthquakes, when before there weren't any that I know of this year.

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unagi
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AUZ505 wrote:
But why is everybody so sure that the allies are the good side and Theo is the bad side.

I have not been so sure. For example, I've been wondering what if the desirable direction of the labyrinth running is opposite from the one the six taught us.

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And judging from the Omphputer, the result of making an omph knot / ring could be the world blowing up.

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Cineball
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Well I don't think Theo will end up being a player, since we've received some pretty concrete evidence of his existence IG, at least when hmrpita and the crew here in SF met with Noriko. As to us creating the IDEA of Theo, I think that's totally possible (I liked the Ghost Busters analogy). Although, I think it'd be a bit too much of a fan service to just hand us the villain we all collectively speculate Theo to be.

In regards to the speculations about Theo actually being the White Hat in this scenario, I don't quite buy it. I think Eli Hunt is genuine in his pursuits and his motivations, at least in the alternate universe Ariadne saw in her vision. But then that's an alternate timeline isn't it?

Might I add to the speculations that this realities Eli may be Theo? His little mission to South America seems odd and came not long after Theo made his presence known. I'm not up on the communications people have made with Eli about Theo so this may all be way off base.

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Oh, and TheO is definitely a concern we need to address. I totally missed the multiple emphases between Theo and TheO. Anyway, yeah, that's most likely going to be some of us. I'd hate to think what could happen with opposition agents and double agents. I'm almost afraid that I'll end up on the wrong side of things since it's all so topsy-turvy right now.

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I honestly don't mean to spam this conversation at all, but could it be that Theo is a traveler in a group similar to our six amnesiac? Perhaps there is a team of six sent to counter act our work and raise their own following. Maybe I've just watched too much Sliders and Quantum Leap in my day.

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jasper
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Cineball wrote:
I honestly don't mean to spam this conversation at all, but could it be that Theo is a traveler in a group similar to our six amnesiac? Perhaps there is a team of six sent to counter act our work and raise their own following. Maybe I've just watched too much Sliders and Quantum Leap in my day.

If Theo is a traveler like our 6 tattooed athletes, he would have to be a labyrinth runner, since the labyrinth is the means for opening doors between worlds. Theo is supposed to want to stop or prevent labyrinth running, so Theo's group could be made up of other selves of the amnesiacs, ones who trained and prepared, but decided against the goals, and decided to try to stop the progress.

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Meihui also asks, who is Theo?, via youtube.

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jasper
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Through translations, I gather that Mei Hui speculates that Theo isn't really The O, but someone who want to help the agonothetai. Diego thinks Eli is Theo. Markus says he saw Theo and Noriko suggests one of the six will be working against the others as a counter-agonothetai, becoming The O. Larissa thinks it is Kai?

So, their theories are all over the map like ours. Rolling Eyes

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jasper wrote:
So, their theories are all over the map like ours. Rolling Eyes


Interesting observation. While there have been instances where the TAs have made unprompted observations and done things that seemed kinda "out there", I wonder if some of their spec and action isn't based on what we're thinking. We traditionally rely on the characters to point us in the right direction during a game. But having them reflect our thoughts as an initial reaction is within the realm of possibility and given the intended length of the run, might even be part of the design.
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considering some of the missions have been officially added, based on what could be considered unplanned player events, IAWTC.
but barely... I think it's certainly likely that the 6's thoughts may be reflecting what we're informing them, with a bit of their own ideas, and not necessarily "in-game" to the point that it's revelation to further the plot. It's an interesting game dynamic Smile As you say, 'we traditionally rely on the characters to point us in the right direction during a game'. That hasn't always been the case in this one...
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Cineball wrote:
I honestly don't mean to spam this conversation at all, but could it be that Theo is a traveler in a group similar to our six amnesiac? Perhaps there is a team of six sent to counter act our work and raise their own following. Maybe I've just watched too much Sliders and Quantum Leap in my day.


I like this idea. What happened with the rest of the Agono 695? We have info about Renata... but just that. Maybe Theo is 695 Dikaiosune... a rebel agonothetai group.

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Ok, I just like to add something:

I am new, didnt post before. I got into this game since I am a friend of the one finding the artifact in Copenhagen and following it ever since...

Just putting down some brainwaves here..

Now:
Isnt the game called: findthelostring
Is there a specific reason (i missed) why theo is revered to as TheO (The O)
The lost ring: perhaps lost as in "lost his way". The one that no longer functions.
or lost as in: captured, needed, no longer with us.
Do we for certain know all 6 Amnesiacs are genuine. Could it be that one of them 'replaced' the real one. So we have 5 genuine A's and one 'fake'. And we cant do this without the 6th?

I try to read up as much as I can, but I dont really know how I can help. So therefor I just throw in some of my (bad) brainwaves. Forgive me

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