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[Thornus]

[BLOG] Ariadne and Kai give us the...Pan-Cosmologizer

[Thornus]

Oh, and she wants us to post jpgs of our solutions on her forum.

http://forums.findthelostring.com/thread/1638

[AUZ505]

Hey. I am missing the Gea-World. The only world I can lookuo the city locations

Is there anything more to do than to move and rotate the "worlds" and to reset or export the result?

[Thornus]

I don't think so. And Gaea is the only layer we can't play with, but it's there. Since it's our world, we know what the alignment is and it's fixed. Everything else lays on top.

I think I may have been barking up the wrong tree with the red marks, but there is some info in the codex. Chapter 12, for example, shows Kenorland with the relative alignment to the curvature of the earth. The other worlds don't have that aid on that page. It gives us a rough idea of what it should look like (so we don't have it upside down, for example).

Ariadne tells us though that the "geology professors" have already assured us that these are best estimates of what the continents would look like so they shouldn't be giving us anything upside down anyway.

[Thornus]

The more I play with this, the more I think that Ariadne's right, mapping the postcard co-ordinates seems to give enough of the information to figure out which co-ordinates belong to which world form. It's really going to come down to mapping continent to continent in each form.

I haven't proven that the list of co-ordinates (and their associated world forms) in Postcard 1 from Madrid are in the same order on Postcard 2 (from Warren, Ohio) but it seems to be the case and that may be an assumption that we have to make in order to figure this out.

If that's the case, it would seem to be that the order of co-ordinates and world forms on the postcards start with Gaea, NeoPangaea, Pangaea as the first three just based on Warren, Ohio suddenly being east of the Prime Meridian, but I still haven't figured out where North America is on Nuna with any certainty so it's all still just spec.

Mapping out which shape on each world form equals which continent on Gaea is key.

[AUZ505]

At the moment I do think that the order of the postcards are correct (even though I assume that Warren/Madrid are the Gaea coordinates).

I guess we should modify the "worlds" in such a way, that the locations of Postcard (P1 = the six "Madrids") are on one spot and the loactions of the second postcard (P2 = the six "Warrens") are on another spot.

That is more or less easy. To line up all P1 a Translation of the worlds could be used. To line up P2 afterwards Rotation of the worlds could be used.

But lining up both works only when the distance between P1 and P2 is the same on all worlds, as long as you can't scale the worlds (a functionality I have not found, yet).

Unfortunatly the distances are not the same:
first pair: P1-P2 (40.4167, -3.7033) (41.2362, -80.8128)
second pair P1-P2 (51.4646, -0.1705) (48.139999, 11.58 )

That is true on a sphere as well as on the flat world (BTW: there are some latidute and langitude lines on the background of the PanCosmologizer)

Because we can not scale the worlds I assume that we have to find matching pairs with the same distance. I will try to write a small program calculating the combinations.
If we do not find such pairs I do not know how to solve this puzzle

For information:
"Normal" (flat world) Distance Madrid-Warren ((P1_x - P2_x)^2 + (P1_y - P2_y)^2) ^(1/2) = 77,11
Great Cirlce Distance: 6274.293 km or 3898.665 miles

[sapagoo]

Ariock made a map 2 weeks ago of the coordinates.
http://tinyurl.com/5jwz8e

As you can see, Warren & Madrid are close to each other in every world except World 1 (gaea) and World 4.

[AUZ505]

[AUZ505]

Double-Post

I WAS WRONG!

After I have read again the discussions we had at the Monica postcard Thread I have to admit that I was probably totally wrong.

We do not have to align all "warrens" and "madrids" in one place, respectively. So it is not necessary that they have the same distance.

I will work out a longer explaination soon. Here the short story:

Madrid2 is on the 2nd world were our London is.
Warren2 is on the 2nd world were our Munich is.

So the distance between Madrid2 and Warren2 would be the same as London - Munich, which is possible, because the continents have moved. US and Europe can be very close. This seems very likely because there are 4 shorter distances and 4 worlds where the continents are close to each other and 2 longer distances and 2 worlds (Gaea and probably Kendorland) where the distance between US and Europe is quite far.

So we have to align world2 in the PC (Pan-Cosmologizer) in such a way, that Madrid2 is where London is in Gaea and that Warren2 is where Munich is in Gaea.

The difficult part is to determine the position of Warren and Madrid on the other world. Where are all the Sofias

Sorry for the confusions due to my former posts.

[pallada]

If i understand correctly, ch.10 gives us a key to line up the different worlds. It says that Moscow in Pangea should line up with Paris in Gea.

"Therefore, in order to coordinate with the maximum number of possible worlds, a single world will often cause a simultaneous labyrinth to take place in six varied places, each mapping to a practicable place in an at least one ring of other worlds."

Does this mean that it is enough to line up two cities in two different worlds? Should the final line up correspond to cities on all worlds or are two enough?

Here are some pictures i found that show the names of the continents.

[AUZ505]

Ok, attached is the longer version of my theory. I will send it also to Ariadne.

I am a little bit confused, because several people complained about having no puzzles to work on. And now it seems like there is almost nobody active in solving this one

I hope I'll get some feedback. This thing could only be solved in a group.

[sapagoo]

another helpful link.
Dante took screenshots of the 5 worlds, and labeled the continents to the best of his ability.
He uploaded them to the wiki.
http://olympics.wikibruce.com/PanCosmologizer

I think it looks great.
The only changes I'd consider are that some of the continents have "flipped" over time. In Kenorland, South America and Africa are obviously upside-down. If there was a way to mark that, it would be helpful (although it's not a big deal now, since neither Madrid nor Warren are on South America or Africa).

And 2, Madrid is part of the Iberian peninsula... which merged with the rest of Europe at some point. I'll need to go back to my ancient history books to see at what point that happened.

[sapagoo]

double post.

Apparently the Pan-Galactic Cosmologizer goes online to check for updates. I'm now getting the following message
"THERE IS A NEW VERSION OF THIS APPLICATION AVAILABLE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO UPGRADE"
Then it downloads the zip file... you unzip the zip file, get another .air file which is now 4k bigger.

I double click the .air file, and it says - You have .8 installed, would you like to install .9 (more or less).
I click REPLACE and...
I have no idea what has changed.

[AUZ505]

[Cineball]

I know this is totally off topic, but did anyone else notice that the different continent formations are the same colors as our ancient strengths save for one? The only strength color missing is thumos, which is Lucie's strength. I'm probably just whistling dixie here since Kai is the one that developed the program, but could these all correspond to the types of worlds the six came from?