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Greenhorn

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New Theory Regarding the Manga

I started thinking about how ridiculous it would be if this very well made, realistic style of movie turned out to be some teenager riding a giant monster. The idea just didn't sit well in my stomach. There had to me more to this manga, considering it is definitely legit, than what we are seeing... I was looking for connections between Kishin and Clover on more of a metaphorical approach. Here's what I got...

-The first image we see is that of many chains, restraining something deep underwater. It must be VERY deep, considering there is a giant squid in the scene. Still, regardless of depth, there is something huge down there, held down by shackles.

- Then there is a thought emanating from this same scene, saying "why was I born?". To me, that sounds like this thing is waking up. So I would infer that Clover was discovered, not made (not there was really any argument there).

- The next page is a human hand (I would assume to be Kishin's) shackled down, while another hand is reaching down to it.



After having read through the most current Manga, I started thinking that Kishin wasn't a real person at all. I started to think that the events that were taking place in the manga, almost in it's entirety, didn't have any purpose whatsoever!

If you eliminate the basic events that are happening, and just focus on the story, you can see a very distinct metaphorical connection between Kishin and Clover, The Bullies and Tagruato, and The Cult and TIDOwave...

Kishin is being "toyed with" by these bullies and he doesn't know why.

Clover wakes up in these shackles, being "toyed with" by these scientists. They are monitoring him, so see what he'll do. Just like what the bullies are doing to Kishin...

The main connection between the two is the emotion, so what if that is what this whole comic is about? I think the entire story is being used to help explain Clovers emotions!




Kishin misses his mother, feels lost without her.

Clover is described as a child, lost without it's mother.

- At the very end of the first chapter, we see Kishin get sick and tired of the bullies picking on him. At the same time, Clover is getting sick of being "picked on" by Tag...






Later on through the manga, we discover this Cult that's been worshiping Clover for 1000 years, or at least who believe it's been there for 1000 years...

They are trying to get "God's Vestige" to have control over "God's Power"

Tagruato calls it "Splinter of Amnion", which is pretty much a piece of the sack that holds an embryo inside.




So when thinking about that, I realized that the hidden ingredient in Slusho could be the same thing!!!

Tagruato could have been harvesting this ingredient, this Splinter of Amnion, and found this monster. They wouldn't want to lose their ingredient, so they shackle down the beast, considering it was still sleeping... Since Tagruato has so many different subsidiaries, their science oriented departments start running tests and experiments on the sleeping creature. When it wakes up, all goes to hell....







I know this sounds really off the wall and crazy, but I don't think anyone else has tried this approach. See if you can find any other connections between the elements of the story, and the elements that exist IG.

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Magejutsu
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this actually makes a lot of sense....to me....

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kenclops
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If the Splinter of Amnion was the secret ingredient of Slusho, and tons of people ingested Slusho, why wasn't there anyone in New York that rode on top of the beasts head?

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Well, considering that Ganu went to NYC to discuss introducing Slusho to the main Water supply, maybe the ingredient being in mass amounts in water is what attracts the monster

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Dark Kitsune
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I think this makes alot of sense as well, I thought I saw something and was starting to figure out the manga but this just makes much more sense.

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kenclops
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Good point -- the whole slusho in the water thing.

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Yeah, I just looked at the headline on Tag's website. Ganu went to NYC to discuss with a major CEO of a water company the idea of distributing Slusho through public waterways... If the ingredient in Slusho is what attracts/controls Clover, and it is being flushed through the main waterways of NYC, that could definitely explain why Clover came into town wrecking the whole place. Also, Clover came into the city through the water, maybe that's how Clover can sense the ingredient...

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Similarity - Creepy:

The US government admitted recently to pharmacutical drugs in our water supply.

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Greenhorn

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Something I just realized...

If I'm right in thinking that each of the characters in the story are a representation for IG characters, then the others should be as well.

What I mean is, if Kishin = Clover; Bullies = Tagruato; Cult = TIDOwave; and The Pod = Slusho ingredient, then the mother and father have to have some relevance as well, along with other main characters in the plot...

Soooo,

Dad = ?
Mom = ?

My initial thought is that these characters might represent certain events, instead of actual people. For instance, Kishin's mother put's the pod inside of him. So, Yoko might not represent an actual person, but possibly the discovery of the ingredient. Same with the Father, he might represent someone on the inside trying to stop all of this from happening after he discovers what the true intentions of his company are.

Saying that, I don't really believe it, but it's worth mentioning that the Father might be a Teddy reference. From what I gathered, Teddy was an employee of ParaFUN!, but we know he's been in contact with a man named Randy, who is connected with TIDOwave. So it's possible that Teddy could have seen what they were doing and tried to contact TIDOwave to stop them...

Like I said, I don't necessarily believe that, but it's something worth discussing.





* One last thing - When reading the second chapter, I noticed that on the second page, there is some jewelry lying on a table. It looks suspiciously like out infamous sword logo, does it not? Just thought it was an interesting little tidbit Smile

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Magejutsu
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well kinshins dad went missing for a while...and is trying to get revenge on tag?

sooo..

Dad= Teddy????

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Greenhorn

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It's definitely possible. What about the mother though?

If the Yoko is the mother of Kinishi, then she should have some "creation" inspired connection to Clover...

I was thinking of three possibilities:

Either Yoko could represent the awakening of Clover through the harvesting of the Seabed Nectar

Or

She could represent the original idea to eat the Seabed Nectar, introduce it as an ingredient in their product.

Or

She might even represent the discovery of the Seabed Nectar. Maybe Ganu's mother???

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Meh, not nearly sold but you know what, ild say possibly one of the most convincing things ive heard since the begining. There hasnt been much but still...props for a try.
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IncidentCloverfield
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If you notice in the comics when they show the small splices of Clover under water or when they discover him they do NOT show him... just the ocean bed and rocks... NEXT, you've seen frog eggs its like a clear goo and they embryo. What if the "Splinter of Amnion" is that... and it is frozen and keeps Clover sleeping... But we are mining it for Slusho! and he wakes...

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blaaaaaah
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The splinter of amnion IS Clover's egg. Like all eggs, it keeps him healthy and alive, and he feeds off of it. So when the splinters of his egg are harvested and he has nothing left to get nutrition from..well.. what would you do?

Go looking for food.

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good ideas, good ideas. I also thought that ganu's mom and kishin's mom had similar goals, and unfortunate fates. here are my .02

1. ganu is kishin. maybe later on, he wins the fight over tagruato and takes it over, then uses what he knows about SBN to try to take over the world. Histories could easily be faked, especially when you have a history section on the website ofa company you run. Rolling Eyes

2. Teddy not only mailed Jaime SBN, but also a Splinter Pod. The Coney Island Splash might have woken up clovie, like the Tag drilling & chains in the manga, and Jaime's increasing emotions could have brought clovie to Manhattan.

maybe that's the real reason why he didn't want her to eat the SBN. maybe teddy is writing the manga for us to learn the truth bout tagruato!

3. the monster in the manga is clovie's mom....... clovie is finally born from kishin (or kishin becomes clovie) and comes to NY
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