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[thebruce]

[unagi]

Anyway, Madrid and Warren on Pangaea.

The distance between Madrid and Warren appears ca. 2000 km. So only the third pair in the two postcard can be linked to Pangaea. But if we suppose so, the equator and the poles in Pangaea is very different from the theory in our world.

[danteIL]

[thebruce]

ok let me try this another way...

Take say Pangaea first, because its continents are the most well defined.

Postcard 1 we've got:
MADRID, SPAIN
LONDON, ENGLAND
COPENHAGEN, DENMARK
BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
TORONTO, ONTARIO
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL

So, align Pangaea's approximate Madrid location with each of the above locations on our world. Then mark where Warren would also be on Pangaea (the reason below)

Postcard 2 weve got:
WARREN, OHIO
MUNICH, GERMANY
TOULOUSE
ORAN, ALGERIA
MADISON, WISCONSIN
BRASILIA, BRAZIL

So do the same - align Pangaea's approximate Warren location with each of the above locations, and mark where Madrid would be on those Pangaea maps.

Now we've got 12 different alignments (not including orientation), so we have to match orientation (rotation). Each alignment has a root city and a marked city (6 Warren roots, and 6 Madrid roots, with each having the alternate city marked, the entire thing aligned by each postcard location)
There should, in theory, be one pair that will align when their orientations are matched.

Easy way to find that orientation? tricky. (right now they're all original orientation, so each pair (6*6 combinations) would need to be tested.
So, assuming that if the orientations are supposed to match, then the distance between its root city (let's use Pangaea Madrid's location 1) and its marked Warren location should match the distance to a Warren root city of postcard 2 (and likewise, the distance between the Warren root city and its marked Madrid should match the distance to that root Madrid).

that sounds complicated... I think I'm going to diagram it

edit: got postcards mixed up =P fixed

[AUZ505]

I think I understand what thebruce is suggesting:

Instead for looking for these combinations:

London - Munich
Copenhagen - Toulouse
...

we should look for all possible combinations (because it could be that they are not correctly ordered):

London - Toulouse
London - Oran
...

But this makes thing even more complicated

Even assuming the order is correct, there are more or less 4 possibilities for alinging for example Pangaea:
Besides Boston-Oran all would fit quite good.

Taking thebruce's suggestion into acount, we will get many more possibilities, e.g. London-Toulouse would also fit quite well.

[UPDATE]: Looking at unagis Pangaea suggestion, none of the 5 "predefined" pairs fit well, but Copenhagen-Oran could maybe. So thebruce might be right.

[unagi]

If we think the orders in the two postcards are different, I think we need the 5 x 5 distances. The following table shows them (km).

-------------------------------------------------------------------
.......................Munich..Toulouse..Oran..Madison..Brasilia
-------------------------------------------------------------------
London...............920........884......1749.....6389.....8781
Copenhagen.......846.......1558......2434....6838.....9723
Boston..............6199.......5715.....5953.....1504.....6866
Toronto.............6645.......6238.....6544......814.....7329
Rio de Janeiro....9504.......8594.....7814....8687.......911
-------------------------------------------------------------------

The Madrid-Warren distance is ca. 2000 km, so the pairing in Pangaea would be one of the following four:
London (Madrid 2) - Oran (Warren 4)
Copenhagen (Madrid 3) - Toulouse (Warren 3)
Copenhagen (Madrid 3) - Oran (Warren 4)
Boston (Madrid 4) - Madison (Warren 5)

All of the directions of these four pairs are different from that of Madrid-Warren in Pangaea hypothesized in our world. So this means we have to change the orientaion from the default in Pan-cosmologizer.

If we doubt the magnifications in Pan-cosmologizer, I think it's hopeless.

EDIT: I made a mistake. The direction of Boston-Madison is similar to Madrid-Warren in Pangaea hypothesized in our world. So we have a chance to keep the default orientation in Pan-cosmologizer approximately.

[Weezel]

[thebruce]

well first, here's the cosmologizer map (Gaea) with the postcard points


edit: fixed colours, I keep getting warren/madrid mixed up... let's start saying "Madrid/Warren" instead

[Weezel]

[unagi]

[unagi]

Double post.

[AUZ505]

I think unagi and thebruce (and me) have now more or less a common understanding.

Weezel: we are only looking for madrid and warren on the other worlds. If we ''found'' them we have to align them with one of the pairs, whether the fixed 5 ones or the 25 combinations (if the restriction that they are already ordered is given up).

It is like a optmization problem. You can loose restrictions, then you will have more possibilities. More possibilities is on the one hand bad, because there are more cases to consider. On the other hand it is good, becuase the chance of finding a better solution is higher.

unagi: Taking the spherical issue into account is not possible with the PanCosmologizer, I guess.

[sapagoo]

Here his my attempt #3.
It's got all 6 worlds, and a line for each world going from "Warren" to "Madrid." I've circled Madrid.

I tried to minimize rotation.
I started with Gaea, then placed Neopangaea & Pangaea, since they are the most similar to Gaea. Then placed Gondwana, since it's the next most similar, and then tweaked Kenorland & Nuna/Columbia to match the 2 Warren/Madrid pairs I had left.

It kinda sorta looks like Ariock's map of Warren/Madrid pairs.

PS - I took the liberty of placing Madrid and the Iberian peninsula with Africa for Nuna and Kenorland. It just seemed the thing to do.

[unagi]

Now I started investigating Gondwana. The word Gondwana in the artifacts doesn't mean the same thing in our geology, but the shape of Gondwana+Laurentia in 200 millions of years ago. Laurentia supercontinent later split into North America and most part of Eurasia. That means the distance of Madrid and Warren in Laurentia is similar to that in Pangaea. Namely, only with Madrid and Warren, we cannot discriminate Gondwana and Pangaea, and we have to find two pairs of the similar distance.

[AUZ505]