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dmon_man
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 		[SPEC] Story line
Is it too early to begin trying put the limited information we have into a logical timeline or history?
I'm sure it will take a few leaps and bounds of the imagination but it may help us puzzle out exactly what happened. With my limited intellect I have come up with this:
-During the construction of the Cambridge Chapel the Walsh family
graveyard is dug up.
-Ann starling is committed to Cambridge for claiming to be able to speak
with the dead.
-Through a link with the girl a nurse experiences a dream of bodies rising from the Cambridge cemetery (or is it really from the site of the
Walsh family plot mentioned above). She disappears under mysterious
circumstances and her body is never found.
-Later we learn that a poem by Starling mentions "ancient terror."
(possibly connected to the Walsh family or somehow connected to the "August" stone? These do seem ancient.)
-Tomorrows Talk creates the show dread house, which takes place in the
old Cambridge Mental Institution. Apparently every one dies and is never heard from again.
-Someone named j.c. has proof that dread house really was a massacre and the former webmaster for the urbanhunt site knew it also. (Are they one in the same? Do they know one another?) They attempt to get the word out.
-We stumble upon the mystery.

Where does dream projector fit in? It doesn't seem that House and Shoemaker could have ever met, unless Shoemaker lived on the Cambridge hospital grounds at one time. Is it possible that the tombstone is that of August Shoemaker? Shoemaker is German, maybe someone he knew was sent to Cambridge?
Anyway, I'm curious as to how others view the possible sequence of events.
P.S. No need to try and answer all the questions or what not here, we can do those in their proper places.
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 		Re: [SPEC] Story line
dmon_man wrote:
Is it too early to begin trying put the limited information we have into a logical timeline or history?


Absolutely not! Nice summary of the facts/spec so far...

dmon_man wrote:
Where does dream projector fit in? It doesn't seem that House and Shoemaker could have ever met, unless Shoemaker lived on the Cambridge hospital grounds at one time.


Well, my take on this is that, on the DP site, the history of Dr. Shoemaker reveals that he got a BS from the U of Minnesota in 1961 and did his residency in Minnesota in the late 60's / early 70's. It's possible they could have met when Shoemaker was in MN, though I'm not sure exactly when House might have passed away...
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 		im convinced that at least one of the dreams at dream projector takes place in cambridge

take a look at the dream with the decrepit building

http://www.dreamprojector.com/dv0353.htm

most of these images look too similar to some of the pics of caimbridge to ignore

http://www.cambridgementalhospital.com/pictures.html

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 		sorry, it's not letting me log in
1872 - Thomas Best born
1892 - Cambridge Mental Hospital construction begins
1894 – First buildings of hospital completed
1904 – Hospital torn down, possibly because it was built on a mine
1900’s early– Chapel for a rebuilt hospital is constructed on the Walsh family cemetery. Mysterious deaths and injuries around the chapel area lead to moving the chapel and reburying the bodies.
1924 – Rebuilt hospital opens under Dr. Edward House
192? June 7 – list of patients of Ward B, Second floor, south
1927 July 12 – memo listing 12 new patients that have been admitted
1928 March – Dr. House receives letter discussing abuse charges leveled against the hospital
1929 – Charles father becomes the hospital’s head caretaker
1929 – Old Todd born
1930 January 23 – Dr. House sends memo to hospital staff about lax security. Head counts instituted
1934 – Attendant who befriends Starling disappears after going to check on Starling’s screaming
1934 November 16 – Thomas Best admitted to Cambridge
1935 January – Authority given by courts to restrain hospital patient Thomas Best
1930’s late – For 6 or 7 months the hospital is drastically overcrowded
1938 – Beatrice Doe/Starling drawing made
1940 March 17 – Dr. Karl Shoemaker born in Magdenbourg Germany
1942 – Charles born
1946 January – Dr. Karl Shoemaker emigrates to U.S.
1958 June – Dr. Karl Shoemaker becomes a naturalized U.S. citizen
1961 – Shoemaker gets BS in Psychology from University of Minnesota
1963 – Charles father dies
1963 – Charles made hospital’s head caretaker
1964 – Shoemaker gets MS in Electrical Engineering from U.C. Berkeley
1968 – Shoemaker gets MD from Harvard
1968 to 1970 – Shoemaker a Neurology resident at Minnesota’s Mayo Clinic
1971- Shoemaker a Clinical Psychology resident at University of Minnesota
1973 – Shoemaker gets PhD in psychology from University of Wales, Bangor
1974 – 1976 – Shoemaker a Post Doctoral fellow with Carnegie Mellon University
2003 March 14 – Tomorrow’s Talk confidential interoffice memo sent from Greg Boyle to Richard Meyer discussing disks and password
2004 August 17 – “Dead Poems” to be released
2004 – Tomorrow’s Talk Urban Hunt reality show to begin


When did dread house filming begin?
When was Dr. House born? When did he die? (I have sent an e-mail to Charles asking if he knows more about Dr. House).
Does Charles remember anyone named Shoemaker working at Cambridge? (I have also asked him this).
When did Starling die? Is it possible that she was seen by Shoemaker? (I have sent a letter to Reed Singleton asking when his grandmother was born, when she was committed to Cambridge and when she died).

As you can see I still interested in a Starling, Shoemaker and House connection. Supposedly Shoemaker is still alive and if he did know House or somehow experiment on Starling and her dreams he may have more info. Has anyone tried kshoemaker@dreamprojector or whatever it is?

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 		Shoemaker is still alive, I believe. He had a column in the newsletter sent out by dreamprojector.
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 		Shoemaker is still alive
On the dream projector site it says that Shoemaker personally oversees all dream projections. He should only be 64. I tried e-mailing him, but I got the same old auto response.
The above timeline post was by me, dmon_man.
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 		What we know (and who) so far - Let's look at the potential connections.

From Ron's emails we can spec that the former webmaster at TT (the person who originally designed the UH website) created the autoresponder email that we got from registering at UH.

Ron say's his name was "Ed".

Why would Ed direct us to Urbanmythology.net??? How long has UM existed? Did Ed want us to know about Dreadhouse? Then why didn't he send us directly to "jc"'s website (unless it didn't exist when Ed created the coded email, but UM did). So then, how did UM hear about DH?? We've asked Amanda about that and she claims it was a "rumor" but couldn't (or wouldn't) place it. Who is Amanda? Who created her website (that Ed knew about).

So we find UM.net and see the "myth" about Dreadhouse. This story leads us to find CMH and DH. Charles doesn't know anything about the tv show. "jc" knows about the tv show but his proof is something he claims he was sent anonymously (or was he)? Who is "jc"? Who created his website (but Ed did not know about - or didn't want to send us there first)?

From CMH we find Ann Starling and Dead Poems. Is this coincidence? SPEC: Charles appears so in the dark about the tv show that this may be more historical information than directly related to the tv show - maybe something about why people were dying (do we have a haunted hospital)?

From UM.net we also find Dreamprojector. Coincidence? How could it be if one of the dreams (or more than one) show us something that we spec might be CMH (the body coming out of the window), or those bloody letters (is HELP US CMH another coincidence)? In that case, who told Amanda about Dreamprojector?

SPEC: Did Ed send the info to Amanda????
QUESTION: Who is Ed and where did he go????
PLAN: Get back to Ron and find out more about Ed.

[this is what happens when I am out walking and my brain is going ninety mph while my feet are only going 4 mph].
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 		I think the next step may be to 'charm' Ron out of those cds he's found...

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 		You might want to add to the timeline that Charles started working at the Hospital in 1958 Razz

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 		something is fishy
I'm pretty sure that Charles was promoted to head caretaker in 1963, the same year his father died.

The brilliant, flirtatious and TV addicted Konamouse touches on many of the questions I have. During bored time at work, here is what I have come up with:

The mysterious Ed must have known about Dread House and was trying to break the story anonymously when he sent us to Urban Mythology. Somewhere along the line he slipped up and was fired. I'm betting that Ed and jc are one and the same, both are Web and computer savvy, good at puzzles and know more than anyone else about Dread House. Ed couldn't send us to the Dread House site because he created it after he was fired, and he hadn't been fired yet. Ed/jc used Amanda's site as a tool to get the word out. (He may have contacted her anonymously with the story). However, whether she is being used by someone or knows more than she's telling she is involved somehow because she has posted both the Dread House myth and the Dream Projector link, all of which seem to be connected.

Charles doesn't seem to know anything about the television show and this bothers me. It seems that he visits the hospital grounds on a fairly regular basis (at least monthly), and he definitely would have noticed a television production crew set up on the site.

This leads nicely into the biggest problem I have with the Dread House mystery. How can something like this happen and barely get a mention anywhere. Where are the family members and friends of the contestants? Where are the lighting, sound and film crews people from Tomorrow's Talk who worked on Dread House? Where are the producers, directors and scouting agents? Even if you had all these people sign confidentiality agreements and the whole thing was done in complete secrecy the disappearance of more than a handful of people from one location would have to register somewhere. This many people involved in a big time television show don't just go missing without law suits, police action and or a feature on 60 Minutes

Could this all be a figment of Ed/jc's imagination? Could he have started this rumor to try and hurt Tomorrow's Talk?

The only proof, and I use this term loosely, that we have that anything happened are a cryptic e-mail and a lame photo, both of which could mean any number of things. If Ed/jc really wants this thing taken seriously he better provide us with something a little more substantial.
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 		beating it to death
I know I'm beating this history thing to death, but I'm a pretty stubborn bastard.
Anyway, I just received the following e-mail from Charles concerning Dr. House:

Dear Will:

I must admit that your work to create a timeline of events at Cambridge sounds interesting but I honestly don't understand the connection you seem to be making between Dr. House and the "dread house game show myth" you mention. Dr. House had been gone from the hospital for well over fifty years before this silly TV show matter is supposed to have ever taken place.

While I don't have many details about Dr. House's personal life outside of Cambridge, I can tell you that he was at the hospital for 15 years, from 1924 to 1939. I'm sorry but I do not recognize the other name you mention, Karl Shoemaker, but I certainly did not know each and every doctor, intern, or assistant who worked at the hospital over the years.

Charles

There goes my theory that Shoemaker and House met at Cambridge. Ah, defeat is a bitter pill.
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 		posting to my own post again
Call me crazy, but here is some more timeline information. I received this letter today from Singleton:

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Mr. G -

Thank you for your interest - I may be able to clarify a few things,
but I'm afraid there is a lot of detail that has been lost to the
ages. Here is what I do know:

1) My grandmother was born in 1912.

2) As far as I know, she was admitted to Cambridge Mental Hospital in
1937 or 1938.

3) I'm not certain for how long my grandmother was a resident. She was
there for some time, and then went to another institution, but there do
not seem to be any definitive records of her admittances and discharges
to pinpoint exact dates.

4) Again, I'm afraid, I have conflicting information at my disposal.
As best as I have been able to piece together, Ann died in 1944 or 1945.

Lastly - I am pretty sure Ann spent time in different areas or rooms
during her residence at Cambridge Mental Hospital. This information also kills my theory on Shoemaker ever meeting Starling.

The bulk of the information I have will be included in the book, due
for release on August 17. Hopefully it can answer any further
questions you may have.

Thanks, and I hope you enjoy the reading adventure!

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If what Singleton says is true, Starling is not the girl the nurse befriended because Charles places the disappearing attendant incident as happening in 1934 and Singleton says his grandmother was admitted in 1937 or 1938.
ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
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 		posting to my own post yet again
Here is the updated timeline: (I would have edited my other one, but I couldn't log in that day. AAAARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!)

1872 - Thomas Best born
1892 - Cambridge Mental Hospital construction begins
1894 – First buildings of hospital completed
1904 – Hospital torn down, possibly because it was built on a mine
1900’s early– Chapel for a rebuilt hospital is constructed on the Walsh family cemetery. Mysterious deaths and injuries around the chapel area lead to moving the chapel and reburying the bodies.
1912 – Ann Starling born
1924 – Rebuilt hospital opens under Dr. Edward House
192? June 7 – list of patients of Ward B, Second floor, south
1927 July 12 – memo listing 12 new patients that have been admitted
1928 March – Dr. House receives letter discussing abuse charges leveled against the hospital
1929 – Charles father becomes the hospital’s head caretaker
1929 – Old Todd born
1930 January 23 – Dr. House sends memo to hospital staff about lax security. Head counts instituted
1934 – Attendant who befriends Starling disappears after going to check on Starling’s screaming
1934 November 16 – Thomas Best admitted to Cambridge
1935 January – Authority given by courts to restrain hospital patient Thomas Best
1930’s late – For 6 or 7 months the hospital is drastically overcrowded
1937 or 1938 – Ann Starling admitted to Cambridge
1938 – Beatrice Doe/Starling drawing made
1939 – Dr. House leaves Cambridge
1940 March 17 – Dr. Karl Shoemaker born in Magdenbourg Germany
1942 – Charles born
1944 or 1945 – Ann Starling dies
1946 January – Dr. Karl Shoemaker emigrates to U.S.
1958 June – Dr. Karl Shoemaker becomes a naturalized U.S. citizen
1961 – Shoemaker gets BS in Psychology from University of Minnesota
1963 – Charles father dies
1963 – Charles made hospital’s head caretaker
1964 – Shoemaker gets MS in Electrical Engineering from U.C. Berkeley
1968 – Shoemaker gets MD from Harvard
1968 to 1970 – Shoemaker a Neurology resident at Minnesota’s Mayo Clinic
1971- Shoemaker a Clinical Psychology resident at University of Minnesota
1973 – Shoemaker gets PhD in psychology from University of Wales, Bangor
1974 to 1976 – Shoemaker a Post Doctoral fellow with Carnegie Mellon University
2002 November 25 – Steve Rowan House of Dread blue print 1
2002 December 2 – Steve Rowan House of Dread blue print 2
2002 December 10 – Steve Rowan House of Dread blue print 3
2002 December 16 – Steve Rowan House of Dread blue print 4
2003 January 7 – Steve Rowan House of Dread blue print 5
2003 March 14 – Tomorrow’s Talk confidential interoffice memo sent from Greg Boyle to Richard Meyer discussing disks and password
2003 March 17 – Tomorrow’s Talk confidential interoffice memo sent from Greg Boyle to Richard Meyer concerning poking through Steve Rowan’s computer hard drive.
2004 August 17 – “Dead Poems” to be released
2004 – Tomorrow’s Talk Urban Hunt reality show to begin
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 		Hmm..if that info from Reed is right, that would make Ann like 20 something when she was in there.

How is it possible she is the little girl in the story on the CMH site?

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She couldn't even be in the story. Allow me to quote myself...

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If what Singleton says is true, Starling is not the girl the nurse befriended because Charles places the disappearing attendant incident as happening in 1934 and Singleton says his grandmother was admitted in 1937 or 1938.


Does this mean that there were/are perhaps many people who felt they spoke with the dead? Is this place really haunted and the dead speak to many inmates and staff?
One of the workers building the original Chapel claimed a ghost followed him home, and now we have two girls claiming to speak with the dead. Real haunting or mass hallucination???
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