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[BLOG] Noriko "Is 6 the number?"
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Re: [BLOG] Noriko "Is 6 the number?"
Re: amnesia

snurge wrote:
If the 6 'amensiasts' wanted to remember who they were and find people who they used to know, to bring their memories back, why would he want to change himself so that he couldnt even recognise himself?

None of them has mentioned trying to find previous friends or family in a while. I think they have all accepted by now that no one here will know them because they come from other universes.

(Although I wonder about that. If there are six universe types, geographically speaking, and six Olympians, wouldn't you expect one of them to be from this world?)
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Shad0, are you implying that someone might be a fake? That could be interesting.

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In the Codex, the Dikaiosune from the turn of the century (Jorge) had memories of his world, Gaea - our world, in other words. But he was still "wiped clean by the rivers of Lethe" or however the phrase goes. Not sure about the issue of his family, though.

From Ch. 19:

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We did not meet some people from our own parallel selves in this Gaea world. None of us would do, except Jorge, who remembers his own home as a Gaea world.

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So it's not hard to believe that all 6 came from different world types. Just because the 6th is a Gaea doesn't mean that that amnesiac has to come from OUR Gaea world.

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I don't think there's any way to guarantee that, for example, every other Gaea world out there necessarily contains alternates of ourselves...what if my mom decided not to marry my dad? That would create an alternate world in which I did not exist. Thus, just because Jorge was from a Gaea world doesn't necessarily mean there would be people here who recognized him (thinking he was the Jorge from this world)...and he certainly doesn't mention having run into anyone here who recognized him.

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Re: [BLOG] Noriko "Is 6 the number?"
Re: amnesia

Shad0 wrote:
(Although I wonder about that. If there are six universe types, geographically speaking, and six Olympians, wouldn't you expect one of them to be from this world?)

I found it an interesting idea. To be honest, I had thought without reason that the six came from the same world. So one might have come from a dangerous Neopangaea-type world, and another might have come from a peaceful Pangaea-type world.

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I sort of think if your world had recently been dragged into the Neopangaea state, you're probably not participating in the multiverse olympiad or sending travelers to organize labyrinths in other worlds. Your culture has collapsed and the few remaining individuals are just trying to survive. Maybe there are only supposed to be 5 like the Olympic rings.

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Re: [BLOG] Noriko "Is 6 the number?"
Re: amnesia

Cineball wrote:
Shad0, are you implying that someone might be a fake? That could be interesting.

Naah -- I suppose it's possible, but it wasn't what I meant. I know there's a lot of speculation regarding counter-agonothetai, but I have not yet seen enough to persuade me personally that any of the six Olympians is anything other than what he/she claims to be. The Codex advises us that it takes six labyrinths to guarantee a successful synchronization, and we also know that groups from previous years also had six agonothetai: thus, six is the proper number of agonothetai, and it's not a case of there really being only five and someone else pretending to be a sixth.

It is still possible that one of ours is a "fake" in another sense. There could have been a substitution before the agonothetai were sent here. (Theoretically I suppose there could even have been a substitution after one of them arrived, but before we "found" him/her.) Or we might never have found one of the true agonothetai, and instead found a deliberate imposter. Or one of the agonothetai could be genuine but have counter-agonothetai sympathies, as others have speculated. For the time being, though, my gut seems to think that all six are genuine.

And it does make more sense for whichever of them represents a Gaea world to have come from a different Gaea world than ours. Assuming -- which seems to be a safe assumption -- that the process of getting to our universe is what causes the amnesia, obviously all six came from elsewhere. Still... According to the Codex, ours is the least common of the six geographic types. The Codex also suggests that the synchronization requires only one world of each type -- sort of a "flagship" world. If there were plenty of Gaea worlds, and ours were the only one in the entire multiverse in which Theo (or his predecessor) banned the Lost Game and thus the only one in danger, why would the other worlds keep sending Olympians here, decade after decade, hoping to save us?

Maybe the rest of the multiverse is filled with kind, altruistic souls, but I tend to think that saving this particular Gaea is important to the other universes. Perhaps there are so few Gaea worlds left that the loss of even one threatens the stability of every other non-Neopangaea universe out there. Who knows?
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I understand how that could be the case, but what about Ariadne's vision of another world where she was working with Eli? That would imply that this same process is happening on multiple plains of the multiverse. We may be a linchpin, or we may just be one of many worlds on which the ring must be found. I also agree that we should take the six at face value until more evidence comes to light. I enjoy discussing theories as to Theo's identity, but that's not our main purpose, so we shouldn't get too tied up in that mystery. He'll reveal himself when the time is right.

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the one thing that's bugged me about traveling between parallel universes is this: Is there only one reality where these 6 traveled to our reality? In theory, every moment of our life essentally spawns a new parallel universe - either by a choice we make, or a choice someone else makes (though in this case, those endless realities 'recombine' if the immediate outcome of any 'branch' is the same, but nonetheless, it's still loads of realities). So, would there not be ... many ... more than 1 set f 6 that suddenly appears in our reality? what if in one, Ariadne had stopped for breakfast, making her arrive wherever later, and postponing her 'transport', so we'd have 2 Ariadnes? Apply that to any number of choices made throughout her life, and the other 5, then imagine how many of them, whose decisions still led to their transport here, would arrive here?

Now, in theory, you could add in the factor that, well, how many similar realities are there to ours? In the six's transport here, perhaps the universe 'chose' different realities for each of them to appear in, so there would be no individual duplication or overlap... so however many realites per agon that ended up in them crossing to another reality, are as many realities that exist with agons not from its own.

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I mean, if we're giving the universe some ..metaphysical power to decide when and how to cmpress the multiverse, I'd assume it would also have the ability to ensure there's no overlapping entities?

Also, are the populations of the 6 major continental 'limbs' of the multiverse entirely different? I think we're assuming there's only one Ariadne - or at least no Ariadne native to our reality?

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thebruce wrote:
if in one, Ariadne had stopped for breakfast, making her arrive wherever later, and postponing her 'transport', so we'd have 2 Ariadnes?


For that part, at least, I'm willing to speculate. The focus required to get the door open between realities would prevent it. The practice of athletic synchronization would have all the versions of Ariadne in the right place and right time and they would seam up into one labyrinth player in one world as they ran, pulling those worlds together, so only one travels through to here.

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The nice thing about parallel worlds is, that independent what we will do here (even wrong decisions), there will be one world where all things are done correctly. So there will be one world where we will sucessfully "save the worlds". So don't worry Smile

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AUZ505 wrote:
The nice thing about parallel worlds is, that independent what we will do here (even wrong decisions), there will be one world where all things are done correctly. So there will be one world where we will sucessfully "save the worlds". So don't worry Smile


That is the most wonderfully optimistic view I've yet seen on these forums. I like your thinking.

Once again, I bring up Aridne's vision. She seems to believe that it was another world in which they are trying to save the worlds. Obviously, then, there are other worlds working toward alignment. Any personal labyrinths we may run will hopefully tune our other selves in to our progress as Ariadne's did.

That's another way to look at our personal labyrinths, we may not be trying to learn something for this world from others, but transmitting to the multiverse our progress so that other "copies" of us who do not know about the impending event can be clued in or those that do know might see something new they had not thought of.

Is it technically synergy if it's just another version of yourself your brainstorming with?

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Well if it's done right, then I was under the impression that you would get some of their thoughts/knowledge/memories and they would get some of your thoughts/knowledge/memories as if you had synched up to get each other's knowledge (like an iPod!)

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