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Weezel
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jasper wrote:
This makes very little sense to me, and I am sure I am messing up on "movigxanta" or "movigxo" which is something more than movement somehow.


Here's a transcription of page 1 so far..

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Navigado per flagriloj

Eĉ se vi povas knostruni vojaĝan {omphaloi}, sekura vojaĝo hejmen ne estas certigita.

Estas miliardoj kaj miliardoj da mondoj, kaj ne estas simpla afero navigi de unu specifa mondo al alia. Fakte estas treege komplika afero. Bezoniĝas majstri teknikon konatan kiel "flagrila navigado."

Kiel plejbone ni povis determini, la vojaganto estas automate transporita al la unu mondo kun la plej forta kunrilato de homa aktiveco je la preciza momento kiam la vojaĝo oka zas. Alivorte, la multiverso {blank} sendas la vojaĝanton laŭ la kiel eble plej mallonga distanco - al la mondo moviĝanta samkiel la porda mondo.

Por kialoj kiujn ni ankoraŭ ne plene komprenas, kunordigo de geografio, konstruo kaj aliaj nemovaj diferencoj multe malpi gravas dum vojaĝado ol la sinkronigado de vivanta moviĝo.

Tial, kiam vi provas vojaĝi multiverse {blank}, vi devas krei tium da homa sinkronigado inter via mondo kaj via celata mondo - flagro da moviĝo kiu gvidas vian mondon pliproksime al la celata mondo. Por krei sufiĉe potenca flagro, vi devos povi precize antaŭnoti la lokon kaj aktivecon de mltaj miloj da individuoj en ambaŭ mondoj. Kaj se vi ne povas, via vojaĝo ebvle portos vin al iu loko tute neanticipita.

Se vi malsukcesas fari la plejeble fortan kunrilaton, ankoraŭ estas ke vi alvenos en mondon kiu estas
sufiĉe proksima al via celata - mondo kie vi ankoraŭ trovos ke viaj amikoj kaj familianoj ekzistas. Tamn, iliaj vivoj eble estos tre malsamaj ol tiuj kiujn vi memoras. Kieal prepari flagrilon.

Grandega kvanto da antaŭa komunikado per la {omphalos} estas bezonata antaŭ via foriro por certigi la sukceson de via flagro.

Se vi havas du-vojan komunikadon per {omphalos} vi povas labori {agonothetai} en via celata mondo por prepari komunan eventon kiu sinkronigas tiom da homaj korpoj kiom eble.

Ju pli komplika la movado, des pli forta estos la kunrilato kiun vi kreos.
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moviĝanta. . . . . get moving? start moving?

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(page 2 transcription)
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Se vi havas vojan komunikadon per {omphalos}, ke vi povas vidi sed ne esti vidata, vi devas studi la informon kaj viziojn kiujn vi ricevas el via celata mondo kaj uai tiujn por krei eventon en via mondo kiu plej paralelos aktivecon ki un vi anticipas en via celata mondo.

Jen la situacio en kiu ni aktuale trovas nin.

Nia celo estas profiti la kutimon de danci la labirintan dancon, tiel se sur la granda planko de Ariadno mem. Ĉiuj ni ses memoras ke ĉi tiu kutimo kazas ĉiunokte dum la unua dusemajno de aŭgusto en ĉiuj niaj hejmaj mondoj.

Dum niaj vojaĝoj ĉirkaŭ la mondon por prepari la vojaĝan {omphalos}, ni estis instruantaj al aliaj la labririntan dancon, kaj pludona(nt)aj la tradicio de nia mondo danci ĝin tra la malfrua somero, je la horo se la sunsubiro en Kreto.

Ni povas nur esperi ke ili memoros tion, kion ni montris al ili, kaj ke ci tiu estos sufiĉa por sendi nin hejmen.

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Great work on the initial translation jasper! Its gives a jist at least until the finer nuances are translated too...
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Weezel wrote:
Great work on the initial translation jasper! Its gives a jist at least until the finer nuances are translated too...

Embarassed could you find it in your heart to correct a few of my typos over at the in game forum?

and I think this is closer for one confusing part at least: "For reasons that we still don't fully understand, coordination of geography, building and other immovable differences is a lot less important during the trip than the synchronization of living movement."

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Not to be presumptous, but I'm thinking there might be a better way to explain/translate some of the parts of this....

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As best as we could determine, upon the precise movement when the trip occurs, the traveler is automatically transported to the world with the strongest occurrence of human activity. In other words, the multiverse (blank space) sends the traveller to the world that is the most synchronized with the original world.

For reasons that we still don't fully understand, the coordination (synchronization) of geography, buildings and other immovable objects matter a lot less during the trip than the synchronization of living beings.

Therefore, when you try to travel through the multiverse (blank space), you should create the best [area] of synchronization between your world and your destination-- a moving flare, which guides your way better towards your destination world. In order to create a powerful enough flare, you must be able to [create?] a lot of activity in front or ahead of a lot of individuals in both worlds. And if you can't, your trip may carry you to someplace unexpected.

If you fail to make the best synchronization possible, you'll still arrive in a world that's sufficiently close to the world you planned to arrive in-- your family and friends still exist but their lives may be very different from what you remember.

How to prepare the flares

Prior to your departure, a huge amount of communication by omphalos is necessary to ensure the success of your flare.

If you have a two-way communication by omphalos, you can work with agonethetai in your destination world to prepare an event that synchronizes enough human movement as possible.

If you have two-way communication by omphalos you can work with agonithetai in the aimed for world to prepare a comon event that synchronizes as much of human bodies as possible.

The more complicated the movement, the stronger the synchronization will be.

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If you have [made?] enough one-way communication through omphaloi (so that you can see but not be seen), then you must study the information and visions that you receive from your destination world in order to prepare the synchronized event in your world and your destination world.

Here is our own situation:

Our aim is to dance the dance of the labyrinths (?), as if we were upon the large floor [that] Ariadne herself [danced on?]. Each of us six knew that this is the custom here each night on the first of august in each of our worlds.

During our travels around the world to prepare the travel omphaloi, we were instrumental in other labyrinth dances (?) and [improved?] the tradition of our world to dance it through the late summer [until] the hour of sunset in Crete.

We can only hope that they will remember that which we showed to them, and that you will be enough to send us home.


I just tried to make sense out of the initial translation, since I don't know esperanto Razz

Essentially, a load of synchronized movement in both worlds is needed before you can transport yourself between worlds...and it seems that the original six are still stuck in their worlds?
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As best as we could determine, upon the precise movement when the trip occurs, the traveler is automatically transported to the world with the strongest occurrence of human activity. In other words, the multiverse (blank space) sends the traveller to the world that is the most synchronized with the original world.
I may be making a meal out of some of the Esperanto words, I'm being as literal as I can. (that's where translation usually goes wrong, eh?)

"strongest occurance of human activity"- I think that misses something important. It says kunrilato kun is "with" and rilato is relation so I make "correlation" out of that (now.) The strongest correlation of human activity.

They use a different word in the text for "coordination" and another for "synchronization."

A word that really bothers me is "flares" because there are flares or fireworks drawn on the document, but no literal flares in the text.

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Embarassed could you find it in your heart to correct a few of my typos over at the in game forum?


Done and Dun.
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I'm about to finish my french translation (which may be easier for you to translate in english than to start from the esperanto) and i can already point a major disagreement with your first try :

The custom of dancing in the labyrinths is done "each night during the TWO FIRST WEEKS of august" and not only the first of august.

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Khaos wrote:
I'm about to finish my french translation (which may be easier for you to translate in english than to start from the esperanto) and i can already point a major disagreement with your first try :

The custom of dancing in the labyrinths is done "each night during the TWO FIRST WEEKS of august" and not only the first of august.


You're right about the two weeks. I'm just a beginner with Esperanto.

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If you're interested in, my french translation is now on the wiki and lucie's forum

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Thanks for posting your translation.
And thanks for helping us understand more.

I just fixed a couple more errors in my translation here.

Navigation by means of flares
Even if we can construct travel {omphalos}, safe travel home is not certain.

Millions and millions of worlds exist and it is no simple matter to navigate from one specific world to another. Indeed it is an extremely complicated matter. It becomes necessary to master the technique known as flare navigation.

As best we could determine, the traveler is automatically transported to the one world with the most strong correlation of human activity upon the precise moment when the trip occurs. In other words, the multiverse {blank} sends the traveler along the shortest possible distance- to the world moving the same as the door world.[the world where you create the portal]

For reasons that we still don't fully understand, coordination of geography, building and other immovable differences [is] a lot less important during the trip than the synchronization of living movement.

Therefore, when you try to travel multiverse {blank}, you should create human synchronization between your world and world you are aiming for- flare of movement which guides your way more nearly towards the world you are aiming for. In order to create enough powerful flare you must be exactly in front of the place and activity of many thousands of individuals in both worlds. And if you can't, your trip may cary you to any place entirely unanticipated.

If you fail to make the strongest possible coordination, still you will arrive [in] the world that is sufficiently close to your aimed for world that you still find that your friends and family exist but their lives may be very different from what you remember.

How to prepare the flares

Huge quantity of prior communication by {omphalos} is necessary before your departure to make sure of the success of your flare.

If you have two-way communication by {omphalos} you can work with {agonithetai} in the aimed for world to prepare a common event that synchronizes as many human bodies as possible.

The more complicated the movement, the stronger will be the coordination that you create.

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If you have one-way communication through {omphalos}, that you can see but not be seen, you must study the information and visions that you receive from the aimed for world in order to create an event in your world that will most parallel activity that you anticipate in your aimed for world.

Here is the situation in which we actually find ourselves.

Our aim is to profit the custom of dancing the labyrinthine dance, as if upon the large floor of Ariadne herself. Each of us six remembers that this custom happens nightly during the first two weeks of August on each of our domestic worlds.

During our travels around the world to prepare the travel {omphalos}, we taught others the labyrinthine dance, and also gave the tradition of our world to dance it through the late summer upon the hour of sunset in Crete.

We can only hope that they would remember that, which we showed to them, and that you will be enough to send us home.

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*sigh*
Even though I know that no one
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is going to look at my own translation

they could always use THAT to help understand what the chapter said.
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