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[Chat] Ariadne 16 April (Re: Communicating with Theo)
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Weezel
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AUZ505 wrote:
I see. Bu at least Ariadne knows about our plan how to contact Theo with the coded message. So I guess there would be no problem of IG characters to read the wiki, so far.

We even immediately informed Ariadne about Thermantia's reply (which I personally would not have done so Wink)

Hopefully thebruce and I started not again a IG/OOG discussion Smile


Here's the thing. Traditionally the wiki is an OOG resource documenting everything so far. in FTLR that border has been blurred, because in game characters have referred to it in their blog and in the forum, as well as being linking to it from the main meta site.

However, I believe that they are allowing the players to find this information, but they (as characters) are not using it.

So if we document our secret method of enciphering, as well as behind the scenes emails, Theo isn't going to look at the wiki and say 'Aha!" I discovered it's all a trick.

Additionally, if we get a triple agent who tries to relay the information to Theo saying we're lying to them, it is likely to be ignored as well.

If it isn't, then we've opened up a whole new ARG can of worms.

It looks like we're going to start documenting it, as well as referencing things like my Baconmaker tool in the wiki.

As far as the ingame characters go though, ONLY Ariadne knows about the tool and our attempts to contact Theo because she asked us too.

ONLY Theo knows about the message we left at London and ONLY our double agents know the email address to contact them. Though it's likely that they might choose to use my tool to create their own messages because its such a time saver.. that's just fine.. Theo would just never say it, because they don't 'know' about it.

p.s. I added some additional text to the tool page which tries to explain a little more about what the Bacon cipher is and what our implementation of it is, so it might be easier to understand. The page is intended to be functional, not beautiful. Smile
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 		Re: [Chat] Ariadne 16 April (Re: Communicating with Theo)
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Weezel wrote:
Traditionally the wiki is an OOG resource documenting everything so far. in FTLR that border has been blurred, because in game characters have referred to it in their blog and in the forum, as well as being linking to it from the main meta site.

Actually, Dana did something similar way back in ILB, including links to not only the Fireflies Wiki but also the UF forum in the "ALLIES" section on her blog. I'm sure that UF is out of game (meaning that Theo isn't going to read anything posted here). I'm not 100% sure about the Wiki. My instincts say you're probably right, but dare we risk it?
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 		Ok, I started a new discussion Smile

[UPDATE] But nevertheless could someone answer my questions I posted one page before?

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 		Re: [Chat] Ariadne 16 April (Re: Communicating with Theo)
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Shad0 wrote:
Weezel wrote:
Traditionally the wiki is an OOG resource documenting everything so far. in FTLR that border has been blurred, because in game characters have referred to it in their blog and in the forum, as well as being linking to it from the main meta site.

Actually, Dana did something similar way back in ILB, including links to not only the Fireflies Wiki but also the UF forum in the "ALLIES" section on her blog. I'm sure that UF is out of game (meaning that Theo isn't going to read anything posted here). I'm not 100% sure about the Wiki. My instincts say you're probably right, but dare we risk it?


Well we could see if TheBruce is willing to post a notice on the front page that the Wiki is an OOG resource and I would trust Jane to honor that.

Because otherwise we'd need a whole other wiki that is locked down and such things are counter intuitive to keeping the game and our resources for it available to everybody.

[edit] The other option is to mark particular articles in the Wiki as OOC to indicate the pages we WOULD lock down to protect the information from IG characters.
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 		Re: [Chat] Ariadne 16 April (Re: Communicating with Theo)
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Well we could see if TheBruce is willing to post a notice on the front page that the Wiki is an OOG resource and I would trust Jane to honor that.


Great suggestion, was going to suggest that too. Or maybe we could get more granular and tag pages as OOG or IG. But personally I do not want to spend the time doing that (no offense). Very Happy Sledgehammer approach looks like the easiest option.
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 		I had suggested maybe a tag that would change the css so it had a different background etc.. But what does that get us? we already have cross character stuff on there, info on Eli, personal email etc... our resources have been public so far if the characters choose to use them...
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 		Re: [Chat] Ariadne 16 April (Re: Communicating with Theo)
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Ranger D wrote:
HitsHerMark wrote:
Well we could see if TheBruce is willing to post a notice on the front page that the Wiki is an OOG resource and I would trust Jane to honor that.


Great suggestion, was going to suggest that too. Or maybe we could get more granular and tag pages as OOG or IG. But personally I do not want to spend the time doing that (no offense). Very Happy Sledgehammer approach looks like the easiest option.


I like that the agons are able to reference the wiki, because it's the easiest way for players to find it. If the wiki says it's OOG, I'm not sure they'd be able to do that. I like the idea of tagging pages, but I don't know that it's necessary.

(Because, let's face it, from a meta perspective, if the PM's want Theo not to learn something, then he/she won't learn it.)

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 		Yea, I really think that we are thinking too hard about this.

Ariadne et al. are referencing the wiki because it's a good way to introduce new players to the resources that we have developed there. At no point have they actually mentioned specific information that exists there -- only that it *does* exist. I think that this is purely a point of convenience that doesn't have any real bearing on the IG/OOG distinction.

I think all information, 'sekrit' info included, should be there. And here. Just not on the FtLR forums.

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 		I agree, I think it was there for convenience and the wiki should be OOG, but I notice that it confuses some players into posting OGG stuff as well, maybe we could put a warning or sort in the wiki about an IG forum linking to an OGG forum, and a IG vs OOG page in the wiki to enlighten new players? (and also me, sometimes I do get confuse too Smile)

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 		Sorry, I may be annoying, but can please someone answer my questions:

1. Was the note left in London decoded (I guess it was not)?
2. Was there another coded message posted somewhere and where?
3. What was the content of the coded message?

or was there never a coded message?

[UPDATE] I have found the encrypted message myself and was even able to decipher the content of the hidden message with Weezel's tool Smile

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1. Was the note left in London decoded (I guess it was not)?

Yes, there's no hidden code in it.

Quote:
2. Was there another coded message posted somewhere and where?

The only coded message addressed to TheO that I know of is in here, posted by our own (Sektano).
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3. What was the content of the coded message?

HELLO THEO THE SIX ARE STUMBLING IN THE DARK BUT IN YOU WE SEE A LIGHT EMAIL SEKTANOATGMAILDOTCOM HELP US TO SEE AND FIND YOURSELF WITH NEW ALLIES
(I put spaces so it will be easier to read and removed the AAA at the end)

I hope that helps Very Happy

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 		Just wanted to close off this thread with a final report.

Aside from this little mission proving more successful than we ever could've imagined - providing TheO with our own custom stenography method to communicate to us with, our original purpose has also just won out.

sektanoSPLATgmail.com just got a reply, without having contacted Members of the Oat directly, therefore this is finally a reply to our original coded message:

The Oat wrote:
SUBJECT: very clever indeed
You have been very clever, you and your friends, but we must know who we can trust. We will continue our studies of history with another text. I hope it will help to enlighten you.
Descynchronization must occur.


So, nothing new in regards to content, but just wanted all those who put their time and effort into this mission to know that it's succeeded 100%.

Go team! Very Happy

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