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hunter2458
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We assume it's 2009 because it's the next year that May 23 Falls on a Saturday. At the end of the movie Rob says "Saturday May 23rd" Which happens next year.

Alyse could be in a time frame between the attack on Chuai and the Attack on NYC..

It does make sense though, the USGX might have been made after the attack on NYC, but the government could've started documenting after the Chuai incident.

PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:31 pm
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undeadmuffin
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Thank you.

To be honest if the pictures on the usgx site are after the New York attack, then I don't understand why she hasn't brought it up either...

Unless the government had already known about the monster before the attack and had already started making the usgx files based upon the monster and the pictures are before the attack. I mean just becouse our government knows something like that, doesn't mean that they would tell the military, so thats why they don't know about it in the movie. they would have to be deeper in the government.

I don't know, thats just my guess. The US government was also in on it.

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Military is Usually on a need to know basis, they hardly get told secrets, except in the upper echelons because of possible leaks thanks to the internet, torture and because soldiers are still just people who like to talk.

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Military is Usually on a need to know basis, they hardly get told secrets, except in the upper echelons because of possible leaks thanks to the Internet, torture and because soldiers are still just people who like to talk.


Yeah, thats wording it alot better. Very Happy I hate running on little or no sleep. Brain don't work right.

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The files were found and associated with the footage of the attack, so it's hard to say that Alyse is pre-attack in the timeline.
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Yeah, I'm still a little confused though. Alyse hasn't acknowledged the monster, Tagruato's site never followed up on what happened to Ganu after he was jumped....the whole destruction of Manhattan thing happening without a blip on any of the In-Game sites (Sword/Swirl logo aside) while there is clear evidence the ARG is still in play reeks of temporal anomalies between character involvement.

Do we know that the movie events are the precursor to the USGX files or is the DVD the final compilation of all files following the Chaui Rig event?

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It probably could be some time after the attack if the USGX files were supposed to be associated with the main USGX file (the movie). Since Alyse is in california, she is neither 1) Worried about a/the monster attack 2) aware that her brother knows anything about the attack.

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Really, I gotta think this part of the game might be done. We know Teddy's dead, and Alyse hasn't returned from her meeting, after all the clues we have of the far reach of Tagruato and their willingness to kill. But, then, she could post tomorrow and I'd be dead wrong. Just a thought.

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Euchre wrote:
The files were found and associated with the footage of the attack, so it's hard to say that Alyse is pre-attack in the timeline.


hm... it's possible that Alyse exists in a pre-attack timeframe. It's hard to see because we're kind of in both stories - Alyse's and our own.

Alyse doesn't know anything about the www.cloverfieldfiles.com, nor does she know about the DVD. The anonymous tip offered "a file was missing..." In her world, that could have been from any website or set of papers, evidence, or objects in Teddy's room. Alyse's response to the comment "... I found the missing gx file, but you didn't give me a user name or password!" made it appear like she knew where to look already.

Cross over to our task - the missing file clue was given to let us know that a file was missing from the DVD so we could figure out the fibonacci sequence. Someone plugged in the .com and we were set.

The three pictures from http://www.usgx8810b467233px.com/ are only related to Chuai Station, i think it's safe to assume the NYC attack hasn't happened yet.
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ladywyntir wrote:
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hm... it's possible that Alyse exists in a pre-attack timeframe. It's hard to see because we're kind of in both stories - Alyse's and our own.

Alyse doesn't know anything about the www.cloverfieldfiles.com, nor does she know about the DVD. The anonymous tip offered "a file was missing..." In her world, that could have been from any website or set of papers, evidence, or objects in Teddy's room. Alyse's response to the comment "... I found the missing gx file, but you didn't give me a user name or password!" made it appear like she knew where to look already.

Cross over to our task - the missing file clue was given to let us know that a file was missing from the DVD so we could figure out the fibonacci sequence. Someone plugged in the .com and we were set.

The three pictures from http://www.usgx8810b467233px.com/ are only related to Chuai Station, i think it's safe to assume the NYC attack hasn't happened yet.


I agree with everything you just said. Its almost like we live in the present and she lives in the past. The ARG is the pre events of 1-18-08 or May 23, But i think we are looking for a big update on the 23rd, but i could be wrong.

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The USGX site Alyse is aware of is a file numbered later in the set. Those files start with the ones on the DVD, and the first of the files we can access (far lower in number sequence) is called "Alpha Encounter" and is unconfirmed. This means that is being speculated as the first encounter with MGP, and why would you call something an 'alpha encounter' if there were no subsequent ones to refer to? Why would it be 'unconfirmed'? Alyse is probably not aware that her brother, Tagruato, and the attack in NYC are related. It would seem the public is not supposed to know this, and that's why all this evidence which paints that picture and lays out the trail is secret. All the public seems to know is that NYC was attacked by some monster and the military responded. We don't even know the outcome beyond that.

ETA: I just reviewed some things on the DVD, and if you want the confusion to get more interesting, check the Chapter 17 extras. The news videos are dated Dec. 07- Jan. 08, specifically the Japanese and French reports respectively.

Now, to add to the train of thought when it comes to a timeline consider Alyse's awareness of Jamie Lascano as his 'old girlfriend' in NYC. Jamie was supposed to open her present in December, and that package was pretty clearly meant to be opened on that date in anticipation that Teddy would be captured or detained by Tagruato. That was opened December of last year. If Alyse is being shown pics of Chuai being destroyed and the news videos put it as last year, that nails a 'real world' timeline to the story timeline.

Face it folks, there's no way to rectify the timelines - the continuity in that respect is HOSED. It's just something you're going to have to learn to overlook when dealing with this whole affair.
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i agree as well, all ARG stuff is pre-attack on NYC. Remember, all ARG stuff relates to the background of the monster before the movie was released. It continues on. I thought of this, maybe C2 could focus on finding Teddy during the night Cloverfield hits NYC filmed by Alyse.

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ladywyntir
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Euchre wrote:
The USGX site Alyse is aware of is a file numbered later in the set. Those files start with the ones on the DVD, and the first of the files we can access (far lower in number sequence) is called "Alpha Encounter" and is unconfirmed. This means that is being speculated as the first encounter with MGP, and why would you call something an 'alpha encounter' if there were no subsequent ones to refer to? Why would it be 'unconfirmed'? Alyse is probably not aware that her brother, Tagruato, and the attack in NYC are related. It would seem the public is not supposed to know this, and that's why all this evidence which paints that picture and lays out the trail is secret. All the public seems to know is that NYC was attacked by some monster and the military responded. We don't even know the outcome beyond that.

ETA: I just reviewed some things on the DVD, and if you want the confusion to get more interesting, check the Chapter 17 extras. The news videos are dated Dec. 07- Jan. 08, specifically the Japanese and French reports respectively.

Now, to add to the train of thought when it comes to a timeline consider Alyse's awareness of Jamie Lascano as his 'old girlfriend' in NYC. Jamie was supposed to open her present in December, and that package was pretty clearly meant to be opened on that date in anticipation that Teddy would be captured or detained by Tagruato. That was opened December of last year. If Alyse is being shown pics of Chuai being destroyed and the news videos put it as last year, that nails a 'real world' timeline to the story timeline.

Face it folks, there's no way to rectify the timelines - the continuity in that respect is HOSED. It's just something you're going to have to learn to overlook when dealing with this whole affair.




You have a point with the alpha encounter name and

EDIT: Actually... it makes sense that they would label the Chuai videos taken by civilians as an Alpha Encounter (USGX-8810-B467-13VD). This might have been the way the US military first heard about Clovie. It's UNCONFIRMED because there is no evidence that there was a monster at all.

However... the pictures provided on our new site (USGX-8810-B467-233PX) clearly show our friend at the rig site thanks to the coordinates. This verifies that the videos captured earlier were indeed their first glimpse of what Clovie can do. The higher number probably related to the fact that they had to examine the Chuai wreckage to get the pictures from those submersibles.

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i agree we have to overlook the timelines between IG and OOG, but my idea was that the attack still didn't happen in Alyse's time.

No matter where in the world you are, if an extremely destructive event happens, and you haven't heard from a relative, people tend to think the worst.... Case in point: Rob's mom called him while they were at Spring Street. From the way Rob answered, she seemed to hear about the event and wanted to make sure they were okay.

Same thing happened during 9/11. I've been on all types of forums for a LONG time. Although i lived about an hour outside of NYC, people emailed me, PM'd me and tried whatever they could to see if i was okay. It's just a common connection to think the worst.

So... being that Alyse hasn't heard from Teddy - she automatically associated him with the Chuai incident. If the Clovie attack happened, she would have been looking for more than just Jamie in NYC.

^_^

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Uhm yeah so I got really bored today and my idle hands took over. To quote Stewart "Look what I did" Embarassed

This is most likely nothing but 2 possible anagrams of "oudnaniehg" are

Ganu No Hide
Ganu Hide On


Again another nice coincident but doesn't lead us anywhere.
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Euchre
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sp103 wrote:
i agree as well, all ARG stuff is pre-attack on NYC. Remember, all ARG stuff relates to the background of the monster before the movie was released.

This is a pretty strong assumption. It's clear that before the film's release the intent was to drive interest by giving us a background to the film. Basically we were creating buzz and interest, and an understanding of what the film would be about without being told and 'spoiling' what the film was actually about. Since the release though, more of what's being given to us is like 'candy'.
ladywyntir wrote:
Actually... it makes sense that they would label the Chuai videos taken by civilians as an Alpha Encounter (USGX-8810-B467-13VD). This might have been the way the US military first heard about Clovie. It's UNCONFIRMED because there is no evidence that there was a monster at all.

The problems with that are:
1. Without a 'beta' there's no reason for an 'alpha'. As for 'unconfirmed' why would they even speculate about a 'monster'? The word to come to mind seeing a rig collapse is 'unexplained'. Confirmation would be a reference to something you can relate to the incident, like a submarine - or a monster attack. It's an unconfirmed alpha sighting of "Case Designate 'Clvoerfield'" as basically established by...
2. The video with the attached files (to us, the DVD) is about "Case Designate 'Cloverfield'" and shows MGP in all his NYC bashing glory. And for the clincher, the SD card's case number: USGX-8810-B467. That's right folks, watch the opening - the files on that site, the files you see in the extras are all the 'children' of that primary document. They are all labeled as attachments to that main case item.
ladywyntir wrote:
However... the pictures provided on our new site (USGX-8810-B467-233PX) clearly show our friend at the rig site thanks to the coordinates. This verifies that the videos captured earlier were indeed their first glimpse of what Clovie can do. The higher number probably related to the fact that they had to examine the Chuai wreckage to get the pictures from those submersibles.

Are you assuming that those images were taken by Teddy? There's no evidence to conclude that. Teddy was supposed to have a computer job with Tagruato, not a marine biology or diving/underwater operations job.
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