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JJ in Rolling Stone Mag "he's dead, the army killed him"
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paulisnofun wrote:
Honestly, who knows what the pictures are. Some parts look like whales with a giant bite taken out of them. Some parts look like something that does not belong on a whale. Why would they post dead whales anyway. Wouldn't Clover have finished eating them. Maybe Clovie thought "Man, these bombs friggin hurt...I'm out!", and headed back to the ocean. He got to the beach, and the army killed him. Who knows? Maybe they are whales. Maybe it is Clover. Either way, that beach is going to stink.

They look exactly like whales. Just about every part.
And why wouldn't he finish eating them? Gotta ask you: Why didn't he finish eating hud? For the same reason: biting another animal is not always for feeding purposes. It could be for defensive purposes. Or, like it was for hud, just because clover likes being a huge angry bullying bitch.

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paulisnofun wrote:
Honestly, who knows what the pictures are. Some parts look like whales with a giant bite taken out of them. Some parts look like something that does not belong on a whale. Why would they post dead whales anyway. Wouldn't Clover have finished eating them. Maybe Clovie thought "Man, these bombs friggin hurt...I'm out!", and headed back to the ocean. He got to the beach, and the army killed him. Who knows? Maybe they are whales. Maybe it is Clover. Either way, that beach is going to stink.


Thats my point exactly. Why would the website put a dead whale in one of their clue pictures? what significance would that have in the grand scheme of things? i know I dont know, thats for damn sure, other than to think that maybe the military mistook a whale for ole' Clovey, im completely stumped. Even before JJ said that he was dead, i always wondered about that pic man. Pee-culiar.

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If you *ahem* use Search you'll find that the pics of dead whales were shown to be just that because at least one of the whale images was traced back to the original image.

The idea that those pics were before MGP hits NYC is a bit odd, as that would mean they were aware of MGP and were still using inferior means to respond to him when he hit NYC. Why would they continue using less effective means and know that he would kill tons of people in NYC? Nope, not plausible. The pics of the assault at sea are from after NYC is given the beat down by MGP. If he was killed, it was after he left land - or Abrams and the viral folks have f*ed up royally on continuity again...
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K1Ng5p4d3 wrote:
Thats my point exactly. Why would the website put a dead whale in one of their clue pictures? what significance would that have in the grand scheme of things? i know I dont know, thats for damn sure, other than to think that maybe the military mistook a whale for ole' Clovey, im completely stumped. Even before JJ said that he was dead, i always wondered about that pic man. Pee-culiar.


the significance is the evidence of a gigantic monster. seeing a sperm whale wash up on shore with a bite taken out of it like an apple is a very "uhhhhh" situation. what in the hell could do that? clover could. and whales dive to enormous depths. defensive or no, predatory animals will attack.

i recall my pet scorpion a few years ago. whether or not it was hungry, it would sting and kill anything you threw in there, if it got close enough. i witnessed it limb and sting and bite the head off of a katydid just cos it got too close. but, it didn't eat it. it's just predatory instinct.

the fact that it didn't wholly eat hud could be derived from the fact that the monster was new on land. not a "baby", but LIKE a "baby". awkward on land, unknowing of its surroundings. it sees little things running around, and gives them a taste. have you ever eaten an entire chicken? it saw hud, it looked at him, gave him a bite, and moved on. keep in mind, he was also being attacked. if you were shooting bottle rockets and bb guns at me, and i was an animal, and i saw a steak (which i had never seen before), i may stop and get a taste... but i wouldn't sit down with a bib and fork and have some dinner. becos two seconds later i had another bottle rocket up my ass. and giant, scary things flying overhead making shit-tons of noise.

just as euchre said, the possibility of those pics being clover are rather null and void, considering they were posted before the assumed "1-18-08" ordeal. and the exact picture of the same dead sperm whale (which was obviously photoshopped to have the chunk taken out of it) has been found.

just like a dead wildebeest is evidence of a predatory big cat or crocodile in your area, a bunch of massive, bitten sea life is evidence of something insane about to happen. IE: a giant monster.

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porrphyrhia wrote:

the fact that it didn't wholly eat hud could be derived from the fact that the monster was new on land. not a "baby", but LIKE a "baby". awkward on land, unknowing of its surroundings.


Not to be nit-picky, cuz i am SOOOOOO not nit-picky, but Clovey wasn't LIKE a baby, he was a real, baby. JJ said, and Reeves said, that Clover was thousands of years old, but he was still just a baby, like a literal baby. No biggey, just pointin that out. N Euchre, what do you mean when you said that the whale pic was traced back to the original pic? i dont understand what you mean. What original pic are ya talkin bout brotha?

....o wait, i just read the rest of porrphyrhia's post. You guys found the original pic of the dead whales?? can someone post a link or the pic itself for me to check out?? i would really appreciate that guys. Thanks.

N btw Porr, LMFAO-- i seriously DIG your freakin avatar. it rocks. majorly.

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K1Ng5p4d3 wrote:


....o wait, i just read the rest of porrphyrhia's post. You guys found the original pic of the dead whales?? can someone post a link or the pic itself for me to check out?? i would really appreciate that guys. Thanks.
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http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23743&start=15

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One thing i think everyone is forgetting is the whole reversed "Its still alive" at the end of the credits. So in my humble and irrelevant opinion, i think JJ is just messing with everyone. Its not like hes never done that before. No, not JJ Abrams, hes always straight up and tells you everything up front, and never, ever tries to mess with people's minds to keep things interesting ( sarcasm )
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Here's my take on it.

If Cloverfield didn't make enough money, there most likely won't be a sequel.

There have been plenty of American made monsters in the past, but they never got "national monster" status because they never came back. If Abrams really wants to give America its own monster then it would be absurd not to make multiple sequels. I'm sure he already knows that too.

As to whether the creature is dead, there are really only three pieces of evidence that we have to work with.

1) The military dropped The A Bomb on the monster at the end of the movie (per the warning given to our heroes from the military soldier).

It is highly unlikely that any living thing could survive a ground zero hit by an A Bomb (without the protection of God Himself). But, since Godzilla did it, why not Clovey, too.

2) 1-18-08.com shows a photo of a mutilated creature on the beach.

People's opinion of what this creature is varies. Some say it's the corps of a whale and some say it's the corps of Clovey. The creature on the beach most certainly is not a whale (trust me, I work with whales on a daily basis), nor looks anything like any creature of the sea known to man - yet neither does it look anything like Clovey. Hmmmmm.

3) The end of the film gave us the phrase "It's still alive".

This statement wouldn't have been made if the creature were dead. Furthermore, the voice was Rob's, which means he is also still alive, which means he escaped New York before the bomb hit.



My only question is, what in the world happened to Lil?! She was with Rob and Beth after Hud was killed, but suddenly she disappeared and only Beth was with Rob when they ran under the bridge. Lil just vanished.

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Lil took another helicopter before Rob, Hud and Beth.

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oh yeah. Forgot about that.

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capecod wrote:
Here's my take on it.

If Cloverfield didn't make enough money, there most likely won't be a sequel.

There have been plenty of American made monsters in the past, but they never got "national monster" status because they never came back. If Abrams really wants to give America its own monster then it would be absurd not to make multiple sequels. I'm sure he already knows that too.

As to whether the creature is dead, there are really only three pieces of evidence that we have to work with.

1) The military dropped The A Bomb on the monster at the end of the movie (per the warning given to our heroes from the military soldier).

It is highly unlikely that any living thing could survive a ground zero hit by an A Bomb (without the protection of God Himself). But, since Godzilla did it, why not Clovey, too.

We have been over this, they didn't nuke NYC. Considering the alternate ending where they show someone not in a radiation suit picking up the camera, it's pretty clear that they never thought of it as being 'nuked'. There are a myriad of other reasons, and Search is your friend. Wink
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2) 1-18-08.com shows a photo of a mutilated creature on the beach.

People's opinion of what this creature is varies. Some say it's the corps of a whale and some say it's the corps of Clovey. The creature on the beach most certainly is not a whale (trust me, I work with whales on a daily basis), nor looks anything like any creature of the sea known to man - yet neither does it look anything like Clovey. Hmmmmm.

Just two posts up from yours we have a link which has the telltale image showing us the whale in the picture
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3) The end of the film gave us the phrase "It's still alive".

This statement wouldn't have been made if the creature were dead. Furthermore, the voice was Rob's, which means he is also still alive, which means he escaped New York before the bomb hit.

I answered this in reply to your post on the other thread.

So there you have it.
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K1Ng5p4d3 wrote:
Not to be nit-picky, cuz i am SOOOOOO not nit-picky, but Clovey wasn't LIKE a baby, he was a real, baby. JJ said, and Reeves said, that Clover was thousands of years old, but he was still just a baby, like a literal baby. No biggey, just pointin that out. N Euchre, what do you mean when you said that the whale pic was traced back to the original pic? i dont understand what you mean. What original pic are ya talkin bout brotha?

....o wait, i just read the rest of porrphyrhia's post. You guys found the original pic of the dead whales?? can someone post a link or the pic itself for me to check out?? i would really appreciate that guys. Thanks.

N btw Porr, LMFAO-- i seriously DIG your freakin avatar. it rocks.
majorly.


haha, thank you much, friend Very Happy

i see your point. i know that's what they said, but i dunno. this damn movie has more holes than a golf course.

i always took their reference of clover "being a baby" as their inspiration for it. instead of a godzilla or a king kong, it was this thing that was new to its surroundings, and scared. not destroying just to destroy, but destroying becos of what was going on. you're probably right... i mean, i know they stated "it's a baby", but then they said "its been down there for thousands of years", which is kind'f contradicting. so i always took it as an explanation for how and why it acted the way it did.

i say we meet up, take a few shots, and fight about it Very Happy

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yeah, capecod. welcome to unfiction. we will kill you 'til you die from it. Twisted Evil

kidding, of course.

you're new here, so go find a new ARG site! haha, that seems to be the trend as of late Very Happy

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Does anyone have a People-Who-Still-Think-That-The-Things-In-The-Picture-Are-Not-Whales Detector? 'Cause I'd like to track each and every one of them down and emaciate them like the Wrath of God to the poor, lowly lands of Sodom and Gomorra. I'll go to CNN with the information if I must...trust me.

And, it sounds as if JJ's either being a) drippingly sarcastic, or b) a bitch...either is likely and it's most probably both.

Oh, and it's good to be back. Very Happy
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Euchre wrote:
capecod wrote:
Here's my take on it.

If Cloverfield didn't make enough money, there most likely won't be a sequel.

There have been plenty of American made monsters in the past, but they never got "national monster" status because they never came back. If Abrams really wants to give America its own monster then it would be absurd not to make multiple sequels. I'm sure he already knows that too.

As to whether the creature is dead, there are really only three pieces of evidence that we have to work with.

1) The military dropped The A Bomb on the monster at the end of the movie (per the warning given to our heroes from the military soldier).

It is highly unlikely that any living thing could survive a ground zero hit by an A Bomb (without the protection of God Himself). But, since Godzilla did it, why not Clovey, too.

We have been over this, they didn't nuke NYC. Considering the alternate ending where they show someone not in a radiation suit picking up the camera, it's pretty clear that they never thought of it as being 'nuked'. There are a myriad of other reasons, and Search is your friend. Wink
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2) 1-18-08.com shows a photo of a mutilated creature on the beach.

People's opinion of what this creature is varies. Some say it's the corps of a whale and some say it's the corps of Clovey. The creature on the beach most certainly is not a whale (trust me, I work with whales on a daily basis), nor looks anything like any creature of the sea known to man - yet neither does it look anything like Clovey. Hmmmmm.

Just two posts up from yours we have a link which has the telltale image showing us the whale in the picture
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3) The end of the film gave us the phrase "It's still alive".

This statement wouldn't have been made if the creature were dead. Furthermore, the voice was Rob's, which means he is also still alive, which means he escaped New York before the bomb hit.

I answered this in reply to your post on the other thread.

So there you have it.
Welcome to unFiction.
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Thanks for your opinion.
I stand by mine.
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I am a crewman of the Dolphin Fleet in Cape Cod which educates people on whales. I have shown the picture of dead things on the beach to several cetacean naturalists and scientists and NOT ONE of them would identify these things as whales.

Nevertheless, for those People-Who-Still-Think-That-The-Things-In-The-Picture-Are-Whales-and-think-they-are-smarter-than-cetacean-biologists, please share your great wisdom with us and tell us what two horned whale lurks in our oceans?



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