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[Email] James Mutters - 21 May 2008
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[Email] James Mutters - 21 May 2008
Direct provocation yields more results...

In light of the seeming recent score of 1-1 (we get Markus back, but lose Ariadne), I figured it was time to give James another wind-up. Here is the result:

James Mutters wrote:
You worry me sometimes. As Orwell wrote in 1946, "To see what is in front of your nose requires a constant struggle." (You should find the article, it's an interesting read). He wrote it about the politics of the first half of the 20th century, but I feel like it applies pretty well here. You've seen the facts, they've been laid out in front of you, yet still you foolishly follow a course which, if you really looked at it, is the wrong path to take. The Markus situation was regrettable, but as it turned out he was pretty useless to us. To be quite frank, I think they didn't tell him anything to begin with because they knew he wasn't trustworthy, he's rash, erratic... running around the globe, dying his hair... did he really think that would help when all the while he's Blogging about what he's doing?! HA!

Ariadne has gone off the deep end. You've lost your 'guiding light', Kai was silly to try and help her, but instead he's helped her get her hopes up, and now helped her into a pit. As for Kai and myself, I feel no injustice has been done. He's always been so naive, maybe it was time for him to go through some hardships too.

You want me to ask some questions? Fine... I'll leave you with these thoughts:
Why do you think you will succeed this year where others have failed in the past?
What came out of the aftermath of Tambora?
How about the aftermath of 1906? (In fact, for a particularly fun bit of problem solving, why not figure out WHY there was a city-leveling earthquake in 1906...)

Enjoy those.

I hope the rest of your week goes as well as mine is going.

Sincerely,
-James Mutters


Looks like Elizabeth123's SPEC two months ago may have been right about the 1815 event. According to Wikipedia, this was probably the result of it.

The 1906 reference no doubt points toward the San Francisco Earthquake - which links back into the postcard which Noriko received.

And finally, you can find the Orwell article here. I'm going to go have a read of it now over lunch...

So what do people think, could these disasters actually have been CAUSED by multiverse synchronization?

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"Why do you think you will succeed this year where others have failed in the past?"

Because we can work off of what they used. We can see where they failed and not fall to that mistake. In essence, we have the advantage of accumulated knowledge.

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In the unlikely event TheO really are the good guys, they really need to work on their PR skills. Ugh, what a jerk. Mad

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These disasters are obviously "Quick Continental Change". So, as far as we know, they have nothing to do with human synchronization, it's only the NATURAL way our world fight the limits of the multivers.

I would even say that these disasters were caused by a LACK of human synchronization.

So, sorry James, but i still think Human synchronization is better then doing nothing and let our world collapse by itself.
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Yes, well that's James point isn't it? That synchronization is causing the collapse. Hopefully the intervention goes well and we can find a way to convince him of the error of his ways.

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That actually changes completely my view of TheO...so they want desynchronization not because they want Neopangea to occur, but because they want to prevent it just as much as the allies do? And they want to avoid synchronization because they feel that synch'ing is what makes Neopangea occur!

This explains why TheO sent Noriko that postcard implying that if another earthquake happens it will be her fault...he seems to mean that if she participates in synch'ing, it will cause an earthquake, which will therefore be her fault. (This interpretation of that postcard means that when the author wrote on it "We were too late for Intercalated Games" to prevent the depicted earthquake, it means they actually did do a synch, which actually caused the earthquake, though they misunderstood and thought the synch failed to prevent the earthquake because they did it too late.)

Problem, though...there was no Olympic Games in 1815 (when the Tambora eruption occurred)--and thus no omphaputer text file for that year, and probably no synch'ing labyrinth run--so how could it have been caused by an athletic synchronization? (Unless, I guess, there was a group doing synch runs secretly at that point? Does that fit with what we know of the in-game historical timeline of when the Lost Sport started being run secretly again?) Does he actually think that eruption was caused by synch'ing? Maybe not, actually, since his question focuses on the aftermath of the eruption and not the cause, whereas he specifically wants us to think about the cause of the 1906 earthquake. He just wants to emphasize that big geological events = very bad (assuming he's not grasping at any idea that the eruption was in some way beneficial).

Note, too, that the 1906 Games was not actually an Olympic Games (although it does have an omphaputer text file). From Wikipedia's article on those Games:
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The 1906 Summer Olympics, also called the 1906 Intercalated Games, were celebrated in Athens, Greece. These games are not awarded the title of Olympiad because they were held between the III and IV Olympiads. While medals were distributed to the participants during these games, the medals are not officially recognized by the IOC.


So did the 1906 eruption occur because the athletic synch'ing was attempted too early--2 years after the last Olympic Games rather than 4? Should we be waiting until 2010 to do the synch? Awful long time for the allies to wait to go home, though it would give them more time to figure things out (which is the only reason I can think of as to why they were sent in February of this year rather than closer to the 2010 Games if we are indeed supposed to wait until then--not that I actually think we are, I'm just bringing up all the possibilities that come to mind).

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As somone who was always not a true codex believer I would like to additionally ask those questions:

- Nobody knows what will happen if the "maximum limit" of worlds is reached. Even the codex states that it is just a theory that the multiverse will restart. How can someone be sure, that a maximum limit will exist at all?

- The codex states that reality will try to reduce the number of world with RCC. Could it be that RCC not happens naturally but due to labyrinth synchronization?

- We asssume that labyrinth runs have to take place in the six diffferent world types. What could be synchronized between them? You can only try to overcome the geographic differences, e.g with RCC, right?

- Parallel selves probably only exist in the same world type, e.g. our parallel selves are only in Gaea-Worlds. Regarding the codex personal labyrinths would not reduce the number of worlds dramatically. Does this mean reducing the number of worlds could be done only by cross-world-type synchronization? Which again only could happen by continental change.

So Theo might be the wrong or on the bad side, but just believing all the things written on 27 codex chapters, without at least having doubts, could be very dangerous.

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You bring up some interesting points. I wonder if we're missing a lot of pieces in the as yet not recovered pages. The codex gives instructions, but if it's incomplete we may have no way of figuring out the secrets after all. I think that should be a larger focus than it has been so far. Do we know if anyone is currently working on recovery? Are any of the allies in that part of the world?

[meta] Would it terribly ruin the experience of the game if an IG character made a pick up?

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AUZ505 wrote:
Parallel selves probably only exist in the same world type


I would disagree with that. The shape of our world has nothing to do with the major part of our choice in life. So my parallel selves can exist just as much in non-gaea world.
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Khaos wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:
Parallel selves probably only exist in the same world type


I would disagree with that. The shape of our world has nothing to do with the major part of our choice in life. So my parallel selves can exist just as much in non-gaea world.


Even if I try to "proof" that the Codex might be wrong in some parts, this part of the Codex makes sense to me:

Chapter19 wrote:

We did not meet some people from our own parallel selves in this Gaea world. None of us would do, except Jorge, who remembers his own home as a Gaea world.


which states that parallel shelves exist only in the same world type.

[EDIT] parallel shelves Smile --> should be parallel selves of course.

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AUZ505 wrote:
which states that parallel selves exist only in the same world type.


No, it states that they didn't find any parallel self in THIS world (not this type of world, only this one). And that Jorge might be from a gaea world.
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Khaos wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:
which states that parallel selves exist only in the same world type.


No, it states that they didn't find any parallel self in THIS world (not this type of world, only this one). And that Jorge might be from a gaea world.


I think this sentence states cleary, that none of the six would be able to find a parallel selve on this world, besides Jorge, because he is from Gaea.
But perhaps I am wrong.

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AUZ505 wrote:
I think this sentence states cleary, that none of the six would be able to find a parallel selve on this world, besides Jorge, because he is from Gaea.
But perhaps I am wrong.


I've just re-read this chapter in esperanto, and i think you're right : the "because" seems to be implied. Meaning there weren't expecting finding their twins (except Jorge) because there were not from Gaia.

Good point.
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Having only read the English translation at first, I thought it was saying they didn't meet any people they knew from their home worlds in this world.

I think that's translated a bit too literally in the wiki English translations where it says "We did not meet some people from our own parallel selves" for "Ni ne renkontis iujn el niaj propaj paralelaj memoj en ĉi tiu Gaea mondo." iujn is a plural someone that we didn't meet, and which I think would be better translated as any (even though there is another Esperanto word for any, iu can be any): We did not meet any of our own parallel selves.

Except Jorge did?!?
I think there is going to be something in that.

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Re: [Email] James Mutters - 21 May 2008
Re: Codex

jasper wrote:
We did not meet any of our own parallel selves.

Except Jorge did?!?
I think there is going to be something in that.

No, Jorge didn't either. But Jorge is the only one who could have (theoretically), because he's from a Gaea world. None of the others could have met anyone.
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