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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] AXONS GO HOT - Coordinates
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AndyA
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Re: IMHO

Clipped_Wings wrote:
I don't think anything will physically happen at these locations, it would alienate the non-US players too much.


Well, you'd have thought so, but then, why are they all in the US? There must be some rationale behind all the points being in the same country, even if it's nothing to do with the physical locations.
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Is Microsoft located in the US? That would explain it.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:23 am
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Guys

The coordinates can be used on the web site that Dana linked to in her new blog (www.indo.com).

Perhaps we are meant to use that somehow.

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Right, i have looked at the coordinates and i think they are connected by not internet conection, Wifi, cameras etc.

These types of things are found everywhere, and yet they have given us a specific list.

I think that the locations represent memories. What if we are being told the coordinates that she believes things are at. We know she was a navigational AI so it would be very likely she'd have co-ordinates of these places already. it is also more likely were looking at landmarks than payphones as their unlikely to be still around in the same places in the future, compared with landmarks

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keybsnbits
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Check this thread about halfway down the page (my post) -- its a possible solution: In-Forum Link
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:35 am
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Gatsu
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It was mentioned earlier that we should try getting the distance between coordinate pairs. Well, here's a list, sorted by distance (in KM). The original position in the list is in the first column. Perhaps it will prove useful - though I'm not so sure. Confused

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Cole Protocol?

Okay, this is both speculative and based on Halo, so feel free to ignore it if you like. However, I don't THINK it's trout.

In the Halo-verse, the UNSC (human) forces have a policy called the Cole Protocol. Basically, it is designed to make sure the Covenant never find Earth. As i understnad it, what it emans is that the human ships never (hyper- slipspace- whatever-) jump through space TOWARD Earth when running from the Covenant. Instead, they go to some random coordinates that aren't Earth.

Since we don't know who is responsible for the coordinate puzzle, maybe it's a version of the Cole Protocol. Maybe Melissa, the ship's AI, plotted ut a bunch of vectors/coordinates that deliberately DON'T point at the location we're seeking.

Is that even possible? Would it be possible to figure out what location they are ALL not pointing to? (Yes, I realize that there are LOTS of places that they don't point, but is there one place that is conspicuously absent? Texas?)

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Re: Cole Protocol?

Sep7imus wrote:
Is that even possible? Would it be possible to figure out what location they are ALL not pointing to? (Yes, I realize that there are LOTS of places that they don't point, but is there one place that is conspicuously absent? Texas?)


Dang, I just posted something similar in the other thread, using similar wording and everything...

You win, however. Smile

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:07 pm
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fips
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someone mentioned triangulation before. if they are all not pointing to a single place, you may find itt by way of triangulation.

also, someone mentioned the pairing of the coord's on the site. maybe there is something with the distance's between all those pairs? what would a plotted out map look like with a line drawn from point to point for each of the pairs?

edit : scrap this post. im always about 2 steps behind everone else. usually i search, but for some reason didn't this time.

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keybsnbits wrote:
These midpoints don't work... there is a point off the coast of NJ. As the PM have demonstrated, points in the ocean don't count Confused

Well, the midpoints 'work' just fine, they're just likely not to be meaningful in and of themselves, which is why I wrote:

xnbomb wrote:
My gut feeling is that the locations themselves have meaning, not the distances between pairs or midpoints between the two members of a pair.

I posted the map for two reasons. The first is that somebody (marq) asked for it. The second has to do with hypothesis testing as a method. When you have a puzzle, and you don't know how to solve it, you try lots of different ideas. Hopefully, the last one you try will work. In the meantime, though, you need to go through lots of ideas that don't work. By posting the map with the midpoints, I hope to save others the trouble of going to the effort to make a similar map and then to say to themselves "hmm, that doesn't look like much."

keybsnbits wrote:
Could somebody make a pic of the coordinates on China? Thank you so much.

Wishi -- maybe you could make a script to figure out where the reversed points are in China?

As you wish :





As you can see, some of the points near Beijing end up in the sea. My stronger disclaimer: I can't see any reason for ignoring the convention in decimal degrees notation that places negative longitudes in the Western Hemisphere. Nonetheless, it is interesting to think about a little. Flip the longitude (and keep the latitude as is, a rather arbitrary thing to do) and points in the USA become points in and around China. Particularly interesting is that points in and near San Francisco become points near Beijing. But that's as interesting as it gets. I don't think there are searchable geodatabases online for China and other countries in Asia that are as detailed as there are for the USA. Wishi could write the script, but I don't think TerraServer would have too much to return to him.

gohoos wrote:
I just generated a new map looking for patterns. Is there something to the states that the points are in? Some states seem to be more heavily weighted than others.

I think that's worth thinking about. With 220 points, you wouldn't expect so many states to get none. The fact that some states do have none should be a factor in the sort of things we try to do with this data, or at least might be some kind of hint as to how the 220 locations were selected.

jegger wrote:
The xx.xxx should be minutes. There are 60 minutes in a degree, so divide xx.xxx by 360 (sic) and you should get the decimal part from the website. In reverse, take the xxxx and multiply by 60 to get the xx.xxx for your GPS.

Close, but not quite right. Change that 360 to a 60 and you've got it. Or see my earlier response to his question in this very thread (that's as close as I come to slinging freshwater fish).

Finally, here's a general thought: For all the players positing theories about these point being near Chinese restaurants, or wifi hotspots, or being near bodies of water, or being near internet backbone cables, etc. These are all things that tend to be found in developed locations. And what I mean by that is that these things are ubiquitous in those places, they tend to always be there. Fresh water is the best example of this ... you're not likely to find a major settlement that is not near a source of fresh water like a lake or stream (in the case of coastal settlements, they tend to be near the outlet of a river). As information technology becomes a necessity in our lives, we build infrastructure like fibre-optic lines and wifi hotspots in these places in a pattern and density proportionate to the population there. Chinese restaurants ... well, I guess they are a necessity of life too Smile .

I'm not suggesting that one of these ideas will not prove to be correct. What I am suggesting is that to disentangle what these locations do signify from the general trappings of urbanity, we need to do two things. The first is to have people visit the locations and report their impressions, which is being done to some extent, although we might want to come up with a uniform protocol of what they should be looking for when they get there. The second notion we can use to help us is to pay careful attention to those few locations that are not in major urban centers. These locations have less of the clutter of the trappings of all those things that you can almost always find in a developed location. So, these particular locations might give us a better hint of what we need to be looking for in general precisely because they present less possibilities.
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Thank you for the map, xnbomb. And thank you for clearing up some misconceptions I had.
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This thing is clearly a puzzle, looking up where a coordinate is, then visiting that place and looking if something is there and see if it has similarities to other places is NOT a way to solve a puzzle.

Doing that, you didn't have to think about a solution once, and btw as we have seen by the number of points that have already been visited, they have NOTHING in common.

This thing needs a different sollution, one which people all around the world can find...

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I went to the coordinate 39.9657,-105.1845 in Colorado and found a small orange flag where the coordinate was. I don't think this means anything, but you never know. There was also a tower for power lines, but not much else. The spot is about 100-200 feet from a major highway that connects Boulder and Denver. I didn't use a GPS device, but I did print out a map to help me find the exact location. I had to drive up a single lane dirt road for most of the trip, so it is pretty remote location to get to. That is about all the information I have on that coordinate.

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block wrote:
I went to the coordinate 39.9657,-105.1845 in Colorado and found a small orange flag where the coordinate was. I don't think this means anything, but you never know. There was also a tower for power lines, but not much else. The spot is about 100-200 feet from a major highway that connects Boulder and Denver. I didn't use a GPS device, but I did print out a map to help me find the exact location. I had to drive up a single lane dirt road for most of the trip, so it is pretty remote location to get to. That is about all the information I have on that coordinate.


Little orange flags are usually placed to represent burried cables (like telecom) or gas lines.

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xnbomb wrote:

jegger wrote:
The xx.xxx should be minutes. There are 60 minutes in a degree, so divide xx.xxx by 360 (sic) and you should get the decimal part from the website. In reverse, take the xxxx and multiply by 60 to get the xx.xxx for your GPS.

Close, but not quite right. Change that 360 to a 60 and you've got it. Or see my earlier response to his question in this very thread (that's as close as I come to slinging freshwater fish).


Thanks for the correction and (near) trouting. Merely a side effect of writing too quickly and being in the middle of wading through 25 pages of new posts
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