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[Killer-of-Lawyers]

That does make sense. I definetly don't think the Flea is something that was intended, but then again, the sleeping princess seems out of place too.

I wonder, when a spyware clean up software runs, instead of merly purgin things, it puts them into a compressed arcive, is it possible that the sleeping princess is the mellissa made from the 'purged' memories?

They seem to be almost two sides to the same coin. The queen is a depressing, agressive, vindictive AI bent on survival, the SP is a carefree, childish entity that loves to read, and play and make fun of the queen apparently. Is it possible Mellisia may be Scitzophrenic?

[Dorkmaster]

Here's one thing though, that is a problem with this prevailing theory that the GPS has something to do with Melissa transmitting anything (co-erced by the Flea or not):

The text is white on black background. We only have one character doing that, and it's SPDR. So why? We can't ignore the only thing that's letting us define characters to this point. Flea uses white on white, SPDR uses white on black, Melissa uses maroon text on whatever background exists, and the Princess imbeds messages in images, or uses green text on existing background.

If someone can work with that, and still come up with this theory, I'd be glad to hear it.

[GunsmithCat]

[jellyfish_green]

Off the top of my head, it's SPDR-level command traffic, maybe she's compiling a list of suitable places for Melissa's next growth stage. (Don't know how killing off the SPDR affects the SPDR's repair timetable, though.)

[GunsmithCat]

[Dorkmaster]

Give me text evidence that the Flea can speak in not only SPDR language (cuz we do have that already) but that the Flea can speak in SPDR voice (white text on black background), and you've convinced me. Otherwise, I think this is a false argument. We simply cannot ignore the structure given us until we're given something that directly contradicts it.

The PMs have given each character a distinctive "voice". If we make spec based on anything but that observation, then we're deluding ourselves into following what we want to believe cuz it's easier to see, than what we should believe because we have evidence to back up that lead.

Let's be detectives here, not dreamers.
(Edit- No offense, but what I mean is this: We can go beyond, or extend past known facts to make speculation, but what we CANNOT do is change facts, or ignore facts we DO have, to make that speculation... understand?)
(2nd Edit - Sorry, I just want to make this point clear... My point is this: We can only assume that the GPS coordinates come from SPDR, since it's in that "voice". Unless someone can convince me otherwise.)

[Killer-of-Lawyers]

Well, Melissia did autherize the Spider to be deleated, look at the dialouge between SPDR, Pious Flee, and Mellisa as posted by shad0

Clarification, I still believe that each has their own voice, but that does leave us with the problem with what happend to SPDR, but there may be more of that program running around

[Preston the Cyberdog]

Meaning of Seek Evade...

[GunsmithCat]

[m0tive]

I could be wrong. But I think its already been proven that the flea was imitating the computer text that the SPDR was using.

[Dorkmaster]

To m0tive: We've proven that the flea used the same words (computer-speak), but not in the same "voice" of white text on a black rectangular background.

To GunsmithCat: I hear what you're saying. No, we have not proven decisively that the versions of text are specific to characters, but it is universally accepted, is it not?
I mean, without that, we really have no basis for anything but Dana, right? We just know "its something affecting text and pictures on the website" and nothing more. It's been tested enough, and is consistent with all else going on, that we have to take it at face value, and assume that the descriptions of text styles (or voices) are representative of characters. However, while I hear and understand what you're saying, I disagree (respectfully, because I really like your paths of thinking, even if I disagree with your conclusions from time to time). I think to disregard one of the only solid foundations we have, (to get a bearing on which character says something,) is folly, and would only lead to rampant, unfounded speculation, as I fear has already begun. We need to use what we have to move forward. And this is one of the few (in my mind) solid foundations on which to take the next step and speculate. I think it's wasting time to go on anything else.

[GunsmithCat]

Well, look at this way and tell me which one is more logical:

Theory A:
1) The Flea can speak both in English (Seek the Truth, etc.) and Computer (like SPDR)
2) The Flea can emulate the SPDR's functions
3) The Flea can pose as the SPDR to Melissa, without her knowing
4) The Flea cannot, however, post text on the website like SPDR

or Theory B:
1) The Flea can speak both in English (Seek the Truth, etc.) and Computer (like SPDR)
2) The Flea can emulate the SPDR's functions
3) The Flea can pose as the SPDR to Melissa, without her knowing
4) The Flea can post text on the website like SPDR

Your assumption is that B is false because 4 doesn't have supporting evidence. The problem is that 1,2 & 3 ARE supporting evidence - and there's no evidence to discount 4. Occam's Razor would insist on B because A will require further explanation as to why it can't. B is self-explanatory with the theory "Flea can emulate SPDR", but A requires "Flea can only emulate SPDR under certain situations, and here's why" - but there is no why (that I've seen).

Does this prove the coordinates/Axon is Flea and not SPDR? Course not, because under A it can't be Flea and under B it could be either. But if B is more logical, than you should be accepting it as a possibility.

I don't want people to be making wild leaps here either - I just think that discounting this in light of the SPDR/Flea theory makes less sense than accepting it as possible.

If we accept that A) the Flea is capable of emulating SPDR and B) Melissa is trying to emulate a human then I think it will be dangerous to assume, flat out, that our previous assumptions about who is speaking where/how is rock solid could be dangerous. I'd rather waste some time entertaining a logical possibility than ignoring what could be the truth.

But I'm feeling repetitive now so I'll let others chime in.

[kazzai]

I have a question that I haven't seen asked.

Who is the Assassin?


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"Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy."

[Dorkmaster]

kazzai, use the search function, dude. It's been discussed that Dana=assassin.

GunsmithCat: I hear you, but I disagree. While we do know that the flea can talk like SPDR, and like itself (the Flea), we don't have any evidence that it can act like SPDR in front of Melissa and be considered by Melissa as SPDR... show me where you get that. All I see is that Melissa likes the flea cuz Melissa recognizes that flea is not as intrusive as SPDR, and that it distracted SPDR enough for Melissa to get away, and not be picked at anymore. So I disagree on that point.

So I would also argue that Occam's would support my theory because we have an existing framework of who speaks how, and to buck that trend would cause more questions than answers, and therefore be too complicated to be correct. So I don't think that argument could apply here since it could be argued both ways.

(META -again, I have to reiterate that I love discussing this with you, because you have logical arguments that I can agree with or disagree with, and you explain them. Don't get mad, just prove me wrong.)

[GunsmithCat]