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[PARTIAL SOLVE?] The new computer code
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Shad0
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 		Re: [PARTIAL SOLVE?] The new computer code
Yay, Speaker! Worshippy So here's the next one:

Flea wrote:
Reveal the truth.

SPDR tries again to eliminate the Flea.

SPDR wrote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 1
rogue proc

surg:

Flea wrote:
evade

SPDR wrote:
!bite rogue proc 1
clean confidence 100

She thinks she has succeeded, but the Flea returns.

Flea wrote:
Seek the truth
Reveal th

SPDR wrote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 1
rogue proc

SPDR tries again, with even less success.

Flea wrote:
evade
evade
evade

SPDR wrote:
surg:
!bite rogue proc 1
clean confidence 49

I picture this next bit as the Flea's equivalent of "Nyaah, nyaah, nyaah-nyaah, nyaah!" Very Happy

Flea wrote:
seek seek reveal seek seek seek survive
reveal seek survive reveal
seek survive reveal seek seek seek seek seek seek seek seek resist seek seek seek
reveal seek seek seek survive that is the seek reveal
the law seek reveal seek seek
reveal seek seek seek survive seek seek that is the law and seek seek seek seek seek seek seek
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seek that is the law
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At any rate, it gives SPDR a whole lot of junk to clean up, which she does recursively.

SPDR wrote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 1
rogue proc

surg:
!invntry rogue proc 1
rogue proc invntry 117649
!bite rogue proc 1 recurse

While SPDR is thus occupied, the Flea escapes.

Flea wrote:
escape

And he gives us another memory fragment from Melissa.

Flea wrote:
Behold the truth
Reveal the truth
Behold the truth
Reveal the truth
Behold the truth
Reveal the truth
That is the law and the whole of the law.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:47 pm
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Shad0
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 		Re: [PARTIAL SOLVE?] The new computer code
Number three (arbitrarily):

When SPDR tries again, the Flea tries to pass himself off as SPDR!

SPDR wrote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 1
!handshk extern proc 1

Flea wrote:
system peril distributed reflex

SPDR wrote:
success msg: system peril distributed reflex

surg:
!verify vnum

The Flea takes a guess. Wrong, as it turns out.

Flea wrote:
00

SPDR wrote:
!compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > 00
vnum seq dmg
!bite rogue proc 1

But the Flea escapes again.

Flea wrote:
escape

SPDR wrote:
clean confidence 34

So SPDR tries to find him again. This time the Flea, having spotted SPDR's version number, tries that instead.

SPDR wrote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 1
!handshk extern proc 1

Flea wrote:
System Peril Distributed Reflex

SPDR wrote:
success msg: system peril distributed reflex
!verify vnum

Flea wrote:
SPDR-5.14.3

It doesn't work.

SPDR wrote:
!compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > SPDR-5.14.3
vnum seq clone
!bite clone proc 1

But the Flea still escapes.

Flea wrote:
escape

SPDR wrote:
clean confidence 34

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:51 pm
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Astald wrote:
I'm not really as quick to solve puzzles as you guys, but I am a big movie buff. In Pitch Black, Jonze is talking to Riddick, and he tells him something like on the battlefield, doctors decide who lives and dies, its called triage. And that would certainly follow with the strong military ties this game seems to be having. But that is taken from a movie, so take from that what you will.


Triage is in fact the process of sorting people into groups based on their need for medical treatment. It is also "a system used to allocate a scarce commodity, especially in an emergency"

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Shad0
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 		Re: [PARTIAL SOLVE?] The new computer code
Number four:

SPDR finds the Flea digging up a Melissa memory fragment in the "primary sector."

Flea wrote:
Resist!

SPDR wrote:
surg:
!diag primary sector
mem dmg
!diag primary sector mem dmg
extern proc 1

Flea wrote:
resist
resist
resist

SPDR doesn't have much luck getting rid of him.

SPDR wrote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 1

surg:
!diag extern proc 1
rogue proc
!bite rogue proc 1
clean confidence 12

But the Flea vacates the primary sector.

Flea wrote:
evade
evade
evade
resist
escape

SPDR confirms that the Flea is no longer occupying the primary sector.

SPDR wrote:
surg:
!reconst primary sector
mem frgm>>dmg recurse
!triage primary sector
clear

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 		Re: [PARTIAL SOLVE?] The new computer code
And last but not least:
(Disclaimer: Use of the word "last" is not meant to imply that no more text remains to be found and properly catalogued.)

The Flea is now using SPDR commands himself to dig up a Melissa memory fragment!

Flea wrote:
grope:
!dsc mem frgm truth

surg:
!triage mem frgm truth
truth

SPDR finds the Flea, so he tries to masquerade as SPDR again, but this time with a higher vnum.

Quote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 1
!handshk extern proc 1

Flea wrote:
System Peril Distributed Reflex

SPDR wrote:
success msg: system peril distributed reflex
!verify vnum

Flea wrote:
SPDR-5.14.77

It doesn't work.

SPDR wrote:
!compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > SPDR-5.14.77
vnum seq unk

But the Flea calls Melissa!

Flea wrote:
surg:
!invoke master-sector command proc master-sector

And she answers!

Melissa wrote:
What?

SPDR thinks (correctly) that it's still just the Flea.

SPDR wrote:
surg:
!diag unk proc system peril distributed reflex
rogue proc 1 confidence 91

But the Flea convinces Melissa that SPDR is an outdated version, and deletes her!! Laughing

Flea wrote:
!compare vnum
SPDR-5.14.77 >> SPDR-5.14.3
surg:
!extend system peril distributed reflex>>master-sector command proc[/i]

Melissa wrote:
Very well. Delete the older version.

SPDR wrote:
system peril distributed reflex vnum SPDR-5.14.3
null

With SPDR out of the way, the Flea is free to deploy its own three tools. You'll never guess what they are.

Flea wrote:
[i]!deploy
seek
behold
reveal

reveal:
!law
reveal:
!truth[i]

Isn't this wonderful? Three cheers for the PMs! Worshippy
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 		So - if it revealed the law and the truth... are they on the site somewhere? or is flea/SPDR-5.14.77 just "showing off"?
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 		Well this is alot of SPEC but i think i see how everything fits together so far after reading the stuff shad and others said. I think the Flea is the only one who actually knows whats going on at the moment. Melissa lost all her memory from the crash and we know that the sleeping princess doesn't know whats going on from the killer.jpg images(maybe she figured it out and now wants to contact Dana, or sends the flea to help Melissa?) Any way, i think that the flea is trying to help melissa regain her memories because she holds very important information in them(Truth?) In order to do this the Flea has to disable/distract/remove SPDR because it is destroying important memories. This is what is going on with the computer code and in the monolouge. I believe that the Queen is not bad like people originally assumed, but is just mislead.. And now the flea is helping her.("A new friend, says the Queen.") Well, someone lemme know if im the first to say this, am being redundant, or am just stupid or w/e.

--AE

EDIT-- Fixed a quote and random stuff

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 		I believe I have some new code. (Noting that in "view source" the button indicating the next part of the trail usually appears just above the spider/flea text in the source.)

I followed the thread where Flea claims he is SPDR v00 and then claims he is SPDR v5.14.3 as follows:

1.about->about "proc 1...ver"
2.about->honey "ify vnum...00"
3.honey->hives "clean confidence 34"
4.hives->hives (corrupt image) "distributed reflex...vnum 5.14.3"
5.hives->hives (squeezed image) "vnum clone... confidence 34"
6.hives->honey "grope !hnd" (mentioned as a fragment in wiki)
7.honey->hives "shk extern 1" (also mentioned as fragment)
8. hives->honey
Code:
Flea/dana_white
!extend probe
grope: host
grope: host
grope:

9. honey->about
Code:
Flea/dana_white
!triage mat grope >> !dmg unk
!grope invntry kill master sector confidence 777
deploy !dmg
distributed peril recurse
drop

SPDR/dana_bottom
fail

10. about->about
Code:
SPDR=dana_bottom
msg: unk proc

surg:
!diag extern proc 1
rogue proc

Flea/dana_white
surg: !bite hndshk
reveal grope
!config evade invntry law deploy law

SPDR/dana_bottom
!bite rogue

11. about->ID3:
Code:
proc 1 clean confidence 100


I don't know what the Flea's up to here. Messing in the SPDR's toolkit? Is he randomly attempting commands with improper syntax in #9? In #10 maybe he's configuring the SPDR bite command to translate to a handshake command?

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 		Please excuse my newbieness...

So the A.I. now has a virus, called the flea?

Another question, why does SPDR talk in code, and Melissa talk normal?

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 		The Pious Flea is an entity we have encountered previously in Phases 1 and 2, for example in the Widow's Tale.

It's now surfaced in the real world though what it is (virus, etc) is really speculation. It certainly is a rogue process, taunting and distracting the SPDR, and helping the Operator rid herself of it (intentionally or otherwise).

Viruses are mentioned in the Shipboard Conversation part of the new Monologue -- not here with the Flea. That's a different story, though it could be part of the same whole.

SPDR is a 'reflex', an automated repair process, not designed for conversation. All the signs point to The Operator/Melissa having previously been human (memories, etc) so her speaking 'properly' makes sense.

Please read the wiki - your questions are answered there.
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 		If the flea is acting as the spider, it would make more sense that he sent the coordinates out since they're white on black. Will future communication come from the flea in white on black?

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msekolpsu wrote:
If the flea is acting as the spider, it would make more sense that he sent the coordinates out since they're white on black. Will future communication come from the flea in white on black?


that's a good point. but, were the coordinates sent out before or after SPDR was defeated by the flea? i'd say no, as the SPDR vs. flea showdown seemed to be an historic account of recent events, whereas the coordinates are set to a future timer.

the flea and SPDR seem to be similar programs, both trying to help Melissa get to operational. the question i keep asking myself is, do we really want the flea doing this? why was the spider the bad guy? couldn't the flea have caused the initial crash, and couldn't it be working against us and the Op right now? i just don't trust the flea.
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 		This is what I've been yelling all day, people! We need to focus on this flea/spdr thing for a while and get some serious conclusions cooking.

We know flea has used spdr-like commands. Has the flea used white on black? No. (I welcome comment. I'd be happy to hear a contradiction on that.)

So, with that in mind, these coordinates HAD TO ORIGINATE WITH SPDR, right? (I know we can, by extension, guess that the flea did it, but without knowing the author for certain, how can we try to figure the motive, and therefore solve the GPS puzzle?!?)
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 		dm... are you then implying that the axons are bad things that we need to stop? i guess if we assume that SPDR was the bad guy, and he got the axons off before the flea took over, then i guess that would make sense. that would imply we need to help the flea in some way to halt them. interesting...

edit: p.s. i still don't trust that damn flea. Shocked
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Dorkmaster wrote:
This is what I've been yelling all day, people! We need to focus on this flea/spdr thing for a while and get some serious conclusions cooking.

We know flea has used spdr-like commands. Has the flea used white on black? No. (I welcome comment. I'd be happy to hear a contradiction on that.)

So, with that in mind, these coordinates HAD TO ORIGINATE WITH SPDR, right? (I know we can, by extension, guess that the flea did it, but without knowing the author for certain, how can we try to figure the motive, and therefore solve the GPS puzzle?!?)


Do we really need to cross forum this? Smile

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