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<Trailhead?> Fear The Machine [Graphic Violence/Adult]
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Nighthawk
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Well I have to admit I didn't get that far. The bullet to the head was enough for me.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:52 pm
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shylilembrace
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imho this thread should be locked/deleted...
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:00 pm
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Reckoner
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Locked or deleted? Really?

First of all, the bullet to the head scene was fake and that clip has floated around the net for years.

Second, yes, the throat cutting scene was very real. Welcome to reality. Welcome to the kinds of things that Chechnyans have been doing to Russians for years (and vice versa). Welcome to what happens around the world every day.

This ARG, if it even is one, is very dark. Yes. But I don't feel it is promoting the things you are seeing in that flash movie. Quite the contrary. I think it is showing you the horrors of humanity and the s*it we do to each other. Listen to the NIN song used as the soundtrack of the video. This isn't saying, "Hey, this s*it is cool," it's saying, "Look how messed up we are as a race of people, as a species, as whatever."

It comes across to me as an art statement mixed with some instructions to create some kind of counterculture buzz. It seems less like an ARG to me at least at this point.

What makes me leery is the mere mention of them being anything like a terrorist organization. That will draw the kind of attention they don't want.

That Chechnyan throat cutting video has been around for years. Welcome to the atrocities of war. The creator of this video just happened to package all of man's sins, hatred, and sickness into one video. Yes, it's not pretty. But I think it's making a statement. And that statement is NOT promoting the things you see in the video.

I may be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

This video, this site, all of this is telling you what? To FEAR THE MACHINE. Good advice. Ignoring the machine is far more dangerous. Sure, you don't see all the bad, frightening stuff going on... until one day it crosses your path and steps into your world. Here in the states we were ignorant to so much of this kind of thing until 9/11. We thought this world was fine and we were safe from what went on "over there" until it was dumped into our laps.

If what is on that site bothers you, I'd advise simply not returning. But the things they showed you happen every day, all around the world.

If you're looking for sci-fi, fantasy, escapist entertainment, I have the feeling that this... whatever it is, is not for you.

This kind of reaction reminds me of when I first heard of the Silverladder ARG and people thought that was either promoting drug use or trying to convert people to some religion (two rather contradictory things, no?). I think people are reacting far too quickly.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:15 pm
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deletia
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my two cents

Images are like words, and without context it's hard to say just what they mean.

So it's possible that the author of this montage of horrendous and deeply disturbing images will provide a context that makes sense of the choices s/he's made. If it's just another game, though, forget it. It's not worth it. The PM is abusive and sick.

But if the PM has a serious point to make and plans on doing so through an intense gaming experience, then more power to him or her. Then this is something artistic and important.

I guess what I'm saying is that these images raise the stakes, and time will tell whether this PM has something very important to say, or if this PM is a sick bastard who should get help and stay away from computers.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:39 pm
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anonymousloli
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Let the statement be as powerful as the images. I'm in.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:57 pm
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jamesi
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Reckoner wrote:
Second, yes, the throat cutting scene was very real. Welcome to reality. Welcome to the kinds of things that Chechnyans have been doing to Russians for years (and vice versa). Welcome to what happens around the world every day... That Chechnyan throat cutting video has been around for years. Welcome to the atrocities of war. The creator of this video just happened to package all of man's sins, hatred, and sickness into one video. Yes, it's not pretty. But I think it's making a statement. And that statement is NOT promoting the things you see in the video.


Yes, but in the original post, there is no fair warning as to the level of depravity and obscenity the video offers. Regardless of the 'statement' that the video may or may not be saying, much of the content (real or orchestrated) is based on shock value. I find it highly irresponsible of the PM team (or lack thereof) to string together a series of disgusting, horrible images and videos without warning their audience what they would be subject to.

Reckoner wrote:
If what is on that site bothers you, I'd advise simply not returning. But the things they showed you happen every day, all around the world.


You've missed the point. Once you've seen the images, you can't unsee them, as my friend Addlepated pointed out. Take it from someone who still has the occasional nightmare from the Budd Dwyer suicide-at-press-conference video I watched in 2001. Yes, I was a willing participant in choosing to view the video, but I regret that I made the decision to do so.

ARGs are supposed to be fun, and there doesn't seem to be any fun in any of this garbage.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:00 pm
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Reckoner
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jamesi wrote:


Yes, but in the original post, there is no fair warning as to the level of depravity and obscenity the video offers. Regardless of the 'statement' that the video may or may not be saying, much of the content (real or orchestrated) is based on shock value. I find it highly irresponsible of the PM team (or lack thereof) to string together a series of disgusting, horrible images and videos without warning their audience what they would be subject to.


Are you an adult? Then you should know that the internet often holds things that are not so nice and be prepared for anything. Frankly, nothing on the internet shocks me anymore. That's not a good thing, but it's true.

Are not not an adult? Then where are your parents?

A warning would absolutely deflate any gravity that video has. Seriously. There is nothing that makes an ARG seem more silly and less engrossing than a warning, which to me, violates TINAG in a way. "Hey guys, this is gonna be scary, ok? But it's just a game and stuff, alright?"

What ARG was it that repeatedly reminded people "this is not real?" Some Microsoft-backed ARG or something. How lame. It would be like Indiana Jones repeatedly stopping during the movie, turning toward the camera, and reminding you not to feel any suspense because, "It's only a movie."

When you follow a link, you take your chances. It's the internet. Period. You want safe? Read a book that you know isn't frightening or offensive.

jamesi wrote:

ARGs are supposed to be fun, and there doesn't seem to be any fun in any of this garbage.


Please point out to me where this rule or law exists. Some of the things in my life that I have learned the most from and gained the most experience from (movies and books included) weren't necessarily "fun."

The best ARG I can think of broke all the rules of ARGs, bucked convention, and actually taught people things and made them re-examine themselves. It was more art than ARG in that way, I guess. It was more of a social experiment at time. True, it died an early death and left a lot of people disappointed, but many got a lot out of it.

I will go back to my main sentiment:

If you don't like it, don't go there. Leave it alone. Ignore it. Walk away from anything having anything to do with it, including this thread.

I respect your opinion and I hope my reply doesn't come across in a tone that seems otherwise, but I respectfully disagree.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:34 pm
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Illusioneer
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Hi. I am a /b/tard and am willing to help, especially if this is a 4chan arg.
I shall now explain the video and poem in /b/speak. Please do not be offended by the /b/speak.

ITT f****ts who are rlly butthurt over the video. /B/ MUTHAF**KER, DO YOU READ IT? Over 9000 percent of /b/ is composed of s**t that will raep your mind. Evar herd of guro? It's hentai about wimmins getting chopped up. I presume you p***ies haven't seen the pain series? Is goatse too "hardcore" for you? Needless to say, some dead guy isn't the most mentally scarring thing on /b/. Teh poem is from some raidfag who wants important people (read:Anon) to make Bill O'Reilly s**t bricks by repeating "We're Anonymous, we are leigon and we'll raep you like a whore then post pics ftw" in different ways. Anyway it doesn't mean s**t. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole page just turned into "OP HERE, DISREGARD THAT I SUCK C**KS".
Tl;dr, don't call Faux News and Billy to tell them "LOL, INTERNETS HATE MACHINE'S GONNA RAEPED YU!!!1!!!1!!11!ELEVENTYONE!!!".


Once again, do not be offended by the /b/speak.
PS:@ Reckoner- I like jamesi. He plays args and doesnt afraid of anything.

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addlepated
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Although the creator of this video may not feel obligated to put a warning at the beginning, there is no reason that Unfiction shouldn't. I've tagged the thread title, original post, and links to the video with a bright, bold warning about the violence. Until a final determination is made about this thread, please allow the warnings to remain.

Although this is meta territory, I think it bears saying here: you can make the argument that it's a grown up world out here on the internet and goatse and beheading videos lurk behind every URL. The reality is that the internet is what we make of it, and we have the ability to change its course if we like. I'm sure /b/ is familiar with this concept. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:05 am
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Nereus_Theophilus
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I have said that video is Censored and I will continue to, but I am hear to play and if this is what the PM wants me to see. I am sure there is a reason for it and will watch. Yes, I agree that putting a warning on the thread is a good idea. But if you click on that link it is your issue, not mine on what you think of it and I would like to kindly say sorry that I am a messed up person and want to see where this goes. 4chan has had a bad name put to it from a small group of people, a lot of good though has come from that community, and this is an arg from some one from there it should be interesting. Any way I am tring to say, I respect your opinion but censorship is not they way this site should go when it comes to arg's.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:04 am
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Aspphire
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 amidoinitrite?
I left my wallet in El Segundo

reminds me off initiation rituals and warnings against opening/changing/visiting esoteric documents places

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:09 am
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,gljvnmv
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who made this?

its just youtube stuff, for example the red lost signal graphic seems to be taken from the end of this one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=trl40N618ww

I have nothing against 'creepy'. mature or 'stuff that gives you nightmares'. however they need to be refined and well done, not just a bunch of shocking images. >->

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:48 am
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entropycradlesus
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to shed some light on things for you.

Very simple. The person that produced this is (most likely) simply doing it "for the luls" and to see how many foolish individuals he can get to do his/her bidding with no real reason to do so. This is from 4chan (or worshiper/a detractor), and that alone should send up red flags to the credibility of this "arg". They have cleverly used a relatively new phenomenon to socially engineer a response from you. You have become the puppets. Just some thoughts (and likely hood)

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Spunkysoda9
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The Website isnt working for me anymore for some reason. Why isn't it working!?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:06 pm
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stratagos
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They probably got ToSsed, since they were registered with GoDaddy.

Especially since I see this in the WHOIS data:

Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited


Sounds to me that this was mostly a shock site, so good riddance. I'll take a Rick Roll when you want to fake me out, TYMF

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