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[TRAILHEAD] Lost Experience Part Trois?
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FlYiNcHiCkEn
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 		Boat show July 24th(in bold) - 27 San Diego
Boat show July 24(in bold) - 27th San Diego....
http://www.boatloco.com/san-diego-yacht-boat-show-july-24-27-2008

Hehe I'm in from Canada.......

Checked out other things going on as well because comicon seems wayyyy to easy. So I looked to see what else was going on as well.

Doesn't seem to be anything exciting around the boat show page, but going to fully scan it later. Found a ticket for the Sand Diego Padres playing at Pittsburgh July 24th and the seat number is 323 and the ticket is 32 bux. Is that the regular price for one of those tickets? But That isn't San Diego.

The full series of numbers mentioned over and over again in the show is
4, 8, 15,16, 23,42 I'm sure everyone knows but for those who don't....
So I'm sure we will be looking for a 32 when we get started. Or not Very Happy

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Jaxon Xz
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 		I think we all pretty much know there is no coincidence that this thing is happening on the exact dates of comic con. I mean besides the fact that they used it in TLE, where better to kick-start an ARG than one of the biggest Nerdfests of the year?

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deletia wrote:
dposse, thanks, you're right, I was forgetting that Hanso was the parent organization of DHARMA, which was in fact effectively ended by Ben and the natives.

Concerning this point...

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2. During the Lost Experience, it was firmly established that Widmore Corp. was involved in the Hanso side projects. None of that has anything to with the current LOST storyline, though.


...I thought that was very much tied in with the current storyline. According to their conversation in Widmore's bedroom, Ben took the island from Widmore (ie Hanso and its side project, DHARMA)--which we saw in the Purge--then Widmore sent Keamy to the island to take it back. Which, incidentally, could be why an overconfident Widmore/Hanso is hiring for new DHARMA positions.



Hmmm... Disagree here. Widmore has no clue of the new location of the Island (as seen in The Shape of Things to Come), so it would be very difficult to either him or Hanso be that overconfident.

Just a side note: even if we have no further clue until the ComicCon, the show's unanswered questions about DHARMA give us plenty material to at least do some speculation Wink

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 		I think it needs repeating that Charles Widmore (Widmore Industries/Corporation), Alvar Hanso (The Hanso Group/Foundation) and the DeGroots (the original DHARMA brain trust), were all separate entities at one point.

DHARMA stands for Department of Heuristics And Research on Material Applications, so possibly the DI (DHARMA Initiative) was a new branch of Widmore Industries or (more likely) The Hanso Group.

The Hanso Foundation was the bankroll for the DeGroots. The link to Widmore is a bit tenuous if you stick to straight up Cannon. The exact nature of Widmore's involvement with the DI is not now known. The same goes for the Paik Heavy Industries connections. Though, it seems to me, that Widmore Corp was involved with the DI and The Hanso Group to provide construction parts and labor (as was Paik Heavy Industries).

If someone has a better understanding of the DeGroot-Hanso-Widmore-Paik business arrangements or connections, please, share.

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 		Are there some organigrams or schemas of their connections to each others? Because it seems to be a little bit complicated, but very important to know. Thanx in advance Smile
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kosmopol wrote:
Are there some organigrams or schemas of their connections to each others?


Not that I've ever seen. But an organigram (new word for me, yea!) would be a great tool (hint,hint for anyone that feels like doing one Wink)

Lostpedia does have a simple table of the known DI members here (no mention of Widmore or Paik, but it's just a list of those positively mentioned on screen).

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 		Cool, thanx. I'll wait for somebody will make it. I would generate some organigram, if I weren't so incompetent about Lost Experience Universe Smile
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kosmopol wrote:
I would generate some organigram...


Is there a program (preferably freeware) that someone could easily make an organigram with???
If so I may try my hand at it, though I am still a little cloudy on some of The Lost Experience (TLE), not having participated in TLE.
But once again, Lostpedia To The Rescue! TLE.

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Apopheniac79 wrote:
kosmopol wrote:
I would generate some organigram...


Is there a program (preferably freeware) that someone could easily make an organigram with???
If so I may try my hand at it, though I am still a little cloudy on some of The Lost Experience (TLE), not having participated in TLE.
But once again, Lostpedia To The Rescue! TLE.


what are you cloudy on? I can help you.

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dposse wrote:
what are you cloudy on? I can help you.


Why, Thank You very much! Very Happy

The 'cloudiness' is more in relation to being able to put together a coherent structure of late 60's early 70's DI. I understand that the DeGroots were the originators of the concept of DHARMA (in the late 60's?), that Hanso was the original financial backer (again late 60's). Now, and this is where I really need some help, how if in anyway was Paik or Widmore involved in early DI development?
I gleaned and have a connotation that both WidCorp and PHI (Paik Heavy Industries) were the 'heavy lifters' in the DI stations on Island, so to speak. I got the impression that they were contractors for THG (The Hanso Group).

Anything you could correct or add is greatly appreciated.

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Apopheniac79 wrote:
dposse wrote:
what are you cloudy on? I can help you.


Why, Thank You very much! Very Happy

The 'cloudiness' is more in relation to being able to put together a coherent structure of late 60's early 70's DI. I understand that the DeGroots were the originators of the concept of DHARMA (in the late 60's?), that Hanso was the original financial backer (again late 60's). Now, and this is where I really need some help, how if in anyway was Paik or Widmore involved in early DI development?
I gleaned and have a connotation that both WidCorp and PHI (Paik Heavy Industries) were the 'heavy lifters' in the DI stations on Island, so to speak. I got the impression that they were contractors for THG (The Hanso Group).

Anything you could correct or add is greatly appreciated.


http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Sri_lanka_video
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative

Watch the Sri Lanka video. DHARMA started in the 1970s. During the cold war in 1962, the Valenzetti Equation was created. The DeGroots, along with Alvar Hanso (the leader of the Hanso Foundation), started DHARMA to try to use science to change the core values of the Equation (4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42). The DHARMA Initiative's funding was cut in 1987, although the truth of that is uncertain. In 1992, Ben started the Purge which killed the members of DHARMA on the Island.

So, here's a timeline:
* 1962 - During the Cold War, the Valenzetti Equation is created. This equation gives the exact date that humanity will die off due to war, famine, ect.
* 1970 - The DeGroots and Alvar Hanso use the Hanso Foundation to hire scienctists from different fields of study to participate in DHARMA, which was to be used to change the core values of the Equation.
* 1987 - Funding for DHARMA was supposedly cut due to lack of results.
* 1988 - Danielle Rousseau (the french woman) and her crew crash on the Island
* 1992 - DHARMA is killed off in the Purge.
* 2004 - The plane crashes.

The involvement of Widmore or Paik is unknown at this point.

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 		i never put two and two togther that rousseau was on the island before the purge. that'll be an interesting episode.
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 		Lost spoilers follow.
Holy cow, so much good, interesting material being discussed here!

JackFrost, that's a good point: In 2008, Widmore has admitted he no longer knows where the island is. So, if TLE3 is supposed to really be Lost season 4.5, it's very unclear to me who would be hiring Dharma/Octagon employees. Maybe it's Mittelos Bioscience, the company that recruited Juliet, which seems to be run out of Portland by Jacob and the natives?

Also, concerning DHARMA, it's strange to me that although Hanso's family has a historical connection to the Island (via Magnus), it's the DeGroots who start the initiative. Here's a bit of wild speculation: I wonder if the DeGroots mightn't just be some kind of front. Not that I can see why that would be necessary.

...and one last thought. Thing is, the Island seems to be a sentient, acting character in all this (as Locke insists, at least), so perhaps trying to understand the exact working relationships between all of these organizations and how they came to the Island is not, ultimately, going to be satisfying. Maybe it's closer to the case that the Island has gathered them for purposes as yet unknown.
[/pseudophilosophical noodling]

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i never put two and two togther that rousseau was on the island before the purge. that'll be an interesting episode.

Something odd about that: Alex was kidnapped before the purge as well.

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 		Re: Lost spoilers follow.
deletia wrote:
Holy cow, so much good, interesting material being discussed here!

JackFrost, that's a good point: In 2008, Widmore has admitted he no longer knows where the island is. So, if TLE3 is supposed to really be Lost season 4.5, it's very unclear to me who would be hiring Dharma/Octagon employees. Maybe it's Mittelos Bioscience, the company that recruited Juliet, which seems to be run out of Portland by Jacob and the natives?

Also, concerning DHARMA, it's strange to me that although Hanso's family has a historical connection to the Island (via Magnus), it's the DeGroots who start the initiative. Here's a bit of wild speculation: I wonder if the DeGroots mightn't just be some kind of front. Not that I can see why that would be necessary.

...and one last thought. Thing is, the Island seems to be a sentient, acting character in all this (as Locke insists, at least), so perhaps trying to understand the exact working relationships between all of these organizations and how they came to the Island is not, ultimately, going to be satisfying. Maybe it's closer to the case that the Island has gathered them for purposes as yet unknown.
[/pseudophilosophical noodling]

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i never put two and two togther that rousseau was on the island before the purge. that'll be an interesting episode.

Something odd about that: Alex was kidnapped before the purge as well.


One thing that's incorrect: Nothing has happened in 2008. The events of Jack screaming "We have to go back!" and seeing Locke dead happens around September 2007.

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dposse wrote:

* 1962 - During the Cold War, the Valenzetti Equation is created. This equation gives the exact date that humanity will die off due to war, famine, ect.
* 1987 - Funding for DHARMA was supposedly cut due to lack of results.

The involvement of Widmore or Paik is unknown at this point.


nice. thanks!

(also some may want to check a post I made here - a very quick little history lesson)

So, neither Paik nor Widmore were mentioned in TLE (other than some obtuse phone message by Mittelwerk)?

Do we know any back-story on Valenzetti, the person? (sorry if that is a lazy and ignorant question, but I'm pretty sure I've been through most of TLE's data and don't distinctly remember with whom the equation started, nor the impetus to work on the equation.)
Also thank you for reminding us all of The Valenzetti Equation (TVE)!!

And the '87 data point, I assume, was THG cutting its funding? Or where there possibly other, confirmed backers?

BTW for those that are interested in following the rabbit through TLE'land do not watch the Sri Lanka Video, until you've stepped your way through TLE Wink

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