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Weezel
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Step 3: The setup

Additionally, Monica has 4 blank postcards which we were going to use to setup and bait Theo into believing the contents of what we called the 'artifake'. Ultimately, we decided to utilize 2 now, and then save 2 for later. We debated having the contents of the postcards have puzzles on them, etc, but that never come to fruition.

Ultimately, here is the text I suggested for the first two. The couberteam plan was have these postcards get 'found' before the theft happened. But that didn't work out that way, possibly by PM choice. Not sure when, how, if they are going to come into play.

Monica needed to create them, so the translation you'll see below is a Google one, not one done by a Spanish speaker. Additionally, the {They} was going to be a handwritten version of the symbol found on Markus' abduction notice, referred to Theo. We didn't know if we were accurate in our assessment of what that symbol was, so we didn't want to use it if it truly wasn't the word 'Theo'. We asked in an IG way of course, and were told that we should use it, so that clarified that for us.
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Postcard 1:

I've grown suspicious of some of those who said they are trying to help me. What we do is too important to fail now, but I cannot let this information fall into their hands, and it is no longer safe with me. I will be sending you something that you must guard with your life. I trust you, my friend.

Postcard 2:

I have seen the labarum. This cannot be a coincidence! But how do they know? Who could have told them? Guard your family and my package well. {They} are everywhere. We can only hope that Pierre's brilliance will help us succeed.
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Postal 1:

He crecido sospechosas de algunos de los que dijeron que están tratando de ayudar a mí. Lo que hacemos es demasiado importante como para dejar ahora, pero no puedo dejar que esta información caiga en sus manos, y ya no es seguro conmigo. Me va a enviar algo que usted debe tener mucho cuidado con su vida. Confío en usted, mi amigo.

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He visto el Lábaro. Esto no puede ser una coincidencia! Pero, ¿cómo lo saben? Que podría tener les dijo? Protege tu familia y de mi paquete. () Ellos están en todas partes. Sólo podemos esperar que la brillantez Pierre nos ayudará a tener éxito.
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Khaos wrote:
Just for the record, i would like to express my opinion because i may not be alone thinking that :

I think you did great and that you really don't need to apologize just because you did what you were ask to. Not to disregard you're achievement but, in the end, it doesn't have THAT much impact on the whole ARG and so players who did not get involved should not be grumpy because they miss it. It just like if you were being grumpy of not being able to recover all the artefact yourself.

There is a lot happening, that ARG is HUGE, and nobody can be everywhere. Just play your style and let everyone enjoy their.


i'm with Khaos on this

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Khaos wrote:
Weezel wrote:
They must then run forward, crashing into the runner and each other


Please... tell me someone tried and videotaped it Wink


Well this is all being revealed to you guys OOG. SOOOOOOOOOOoooo when Theo eventually gives this information to his loyal followers, you HAVE to accept it as fact, IF they present it to you like its real. Therefore, if you asked to perform this ritual, YOU will actually be the ones that have to videotape and 'document' this.

We have to get back at you a little, Khaos, for taking that Theo oath! Wink
You're the one we're going to see a video of... I plan on revealing my double agent nature and coming clean before I need to make more of a fool of myself (as if singing wasn't bad enough). *chuckle*
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AUZ505
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Weezel wrote:

First, we were asked to keep it quiet. By in IG character who wanted a small group to work on something secret. We did keep it quiet. The goals of the group were very loose, and we actually defined our own course of action. Those plans were put into place with the theft this past weekend.


Yes, keep quite from a IG point of view. Nobody of the IG characters really wanted you to not share the information OOG. This board does not exist in the world of Monica. So she can't say: "You can discuss this on uF but not in my forum".

Weezel wrote:

Then, just a few days ago, Monica asked us (in an IG way) to share the fact that we were working on this project. She very clearly indicated that we couldn't do it on the IG forums because Theo would know, yet there was surely 'another location that others had been communicating, like the coordination of the SF agonothetai team'. This defined to us that we needed to reveal the truth to the UF community.


And that is the proof of what I said before Wink

I understand that there is a risk that someone could use information from this board and "reveal" it to Theo. But believe me the PMs would have ignored this information, if they know it is from an OOG source e.g.
try to write to Monica that she don't need to worry because you have information that everything is managed by McDonalds and probably the RCC is just fantasy, and see if she will reply Smile

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Weezel wrote:
YOU will actually be the ones that have to videotape and 'document' this.


And i surely will do it if i'm asked to Smile. In fact it would be nice as it would mean that 4 people would come to France in order to help me do it, as i'm the only one Theo french member.

Heck it could even be RiotGrrl Wink
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Weezel
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Our team:

Here's the folks that participated in this (I don't think I missed anyone)

Me
Jasper
Javier
lehall
MauroKing
Mr. Judkins
Tenchizard
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AUZ505 wrote:

Yes, keep quite from a IG point of view. Nobody of the IG characters really wanted you to not share the information OOG. This board does not exist in the world of Monica. So she can't say: "You can discuss this on uF but not in my forum".


It was supposed to off the grid for everyone. IG and OOG alike. It truly was supposed to a be a surprise. It needed to stay small for manageability, and control. It was just a little rocky in the beginning, and our efforts of developing a mystery of a 'secret group of a few people trying to help and encourage the amnesiacs', didn't work out as we planned. Hence the twitters and forum posts trying to give us some credence.

I think I've really explained it all at this point. I've got to get back to work. I just wanted to try and clear up some confusion. Other team members can pipe in when they get around to reading this thread.
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Weezel wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:

Yes, keep quite from a IG point of view. Nobody of the IG characters really wanted you to not share the information OOG. This board does not exist in the world of Monica. So she can't say: "You can discuss this on uF but not in my forum".


It was supposed to off the grid for everyone. IG and OOG alike. It truly was supposed to a be a surprise. It needed to stay small for manageability, and control. It was just a little rocky in the beginning, and our efforts of developing a mystery of a 'secret group of a few people trying to help and encourage the amnesiacs', didn't work out as we planned. Hence the twitters and forum posts trying to give us some credence.

I think I've really explained it all at this point. I've got to get back to work. I just wanted to try and clear up some confusion. Other team members can pipe in when they get around to reading this thread.


For me it still sounds like "he why not playing the part of the PMs and make up our own little puzzle for the other players". I personally think that this arg is already quite complex (double agents, Theo members,...) now even for me, who is following FTLR very intensively, it is totally confusing now: New task from Theo, which is made up from the Agonthetai to mislead Theo members...

For new players, this is almost impossible to understand.

e.g. no idea how to update the wiki timeline and story so far.

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AUZ505 wrote:
e.g. no idea how to update the wiki timeline and story so far.


You could just as well not talk about it at all in the wiki. In fact, the whole "la sekto" part is in the wiki and i still don't understand what it's all about. (It could just as well doesn't exist as new players won't miss it)

Maybe they're should be a separated section for player made content, so that does not disturb the official (i.e. PM) timeline.
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Ok, I'ma pipe in... like auz, I had no idea what to do with couberteam on the wiki either.

Right now, I'm pretty confused about events now, because so much has happened without us knowing... is it important? is it not? does it get wiki'd? some of it is listed there now precisely because we didn't know if it was IG or OOG. And this kind of community controversy is precisely why we encourage everyone to share and not hold secrets - not just because it helps keep anger and frustration down between players, but it help not to confuse people.

If couberteam doesn't need to be mentioned at all IG (or on the wiki), then again, why the secrecy? If it is important for the game's progress, then again, it could have been shared here, OOG, and still retained its potential for success - PM's know (or should know) where their players are at, and have a sense of what to do with info they're given, how it meshes with the story they want to tell.

Plus, as Ariock's been ranting about recently Wink if you've got a secret, don't tell people you've got a secret and not share. While no one in couberteam specifically did that, the same applies to misdirection - leading other players astray, purposely, OOG. I'm not sure how many times it happened, but dante's link to a comment by a team member 'playing dumb' about couberteam - on UF - really, really bugs me (not so much had nothing been said). To the same degree as a PM posting in their game thread anonymously, only here it's not a PM pretending to be a player, but one of our own pretending to be one of us (who don't know about couberteam) - both have the intent of misdirecting players.
If you've got a secret, don't tell people you do and not them the secret.
If you've got a secret, don't publically pretend you don't, in a place no one is expected to have one, and not expect a backlash when people find out you did.

That doesn't sit well with me.

Alas, what's done is done. Everything's in the open now (is it?).
What I want to know is - how does this all play into the grander story, is it important or not, was anything new IG revealed?

If a separate section needs to be made to handle 'player made content' (shakey terminology at best), then it effectively has no bearing on the game or story itself, as in it didn't reveal anything new IG. Did it? If so, then yes it should be included in the timeline and recorded to whatever degree, not in a separate section.

*deep breath*
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thebruce wrote:
If a separate section needs to be made to handle 'player made content' (shakey terminology at best), then it effectively has no bearing on the game or story itself, as in it didn't reveal anything new IG. Did it? If so, then yes it should be included in the timeline and recorded to whatever degree, not in a separate section.


Well, i'm not Couberteam, but as far as i read it, nothing IG has been revealed in the process (only maybe uncovered another theo agent ?). So that would make 3, known IG, theo agent : James, that guy in the pic and me ?
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Weezel wrote:
Our team:

Here's the folks that participated in this (I don't think I missed anyone)

Me
Jasper
Javier
lehall
MauroKing
Mr. Judkins
Tenchizard
[Mac]


Who made the first post on Ariadne's Forum?
Who created the google group?
Who sent out the emails?

So you guys pretended to be an in-game group and told new members that you were in-game? You know, helping an in-game character doesn't make you in-game. Neither does meeting an in-game character.

and THIS is the big reveal? This was the surprise?

Weezel wrote:
First, we were asked to keep it quiet. By in IG character who wanted a small group to work on something secret. We did keep it quiet. The goals of the group were very loose, and we actually defined our own course of action. Those plans were put into place with the theft this past weekend.


And sending emails with blurry pictures asking for help to players is keeping it secret? Having members act like it's in-game here is keeping it secret?

Weezel wrote:
We knew that there may be some backlash from those who felt like they were left out, but we had already discussed that as well, and hoped that when you heard the whole story, you would understand why we had to keep secret and how difficult it was for us. We were asked to stay quiet. We needed to stay quiet.


This isn't about being left out. It's about being lied to. It's about certani members of your group trying to MAKE people feel left out. For example, I got to help with the kidnapping mission, but I tried to make as many people feel INCLUDED as I could. I can to a small extent understand keeping this particular mission a secret, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the makeup and history of the group itself. THAT is what I'm annoyed by.

I'm STILL not sure why you think posting here at least indicating WHO was in the group and what GENERALLY you were up to was a secret. And to pretend to be IG is just...I have no words.

Weezel wrote:
I think the anger starting here is because we didn't get to reveal it the way we wanted. We didn't tell you the backstory, or the members, or the details of the ritual like we planned. All those things were supposed to happen today.
The anger is because you got a snippet of information confirming that couberteam was IG and that we had secret information that we had chosen not to share with you, and that one or more people knew this and hadn't revealed it. More importantly, they were asked to reveal it, and had chosen not to.


Show me proof that Couberteam is IG. And not just an email from Monica inviting someone to a google group. I've seen one of those. THIS is what I'm bothered by. I've had my mission and had a lot of fun doing it, so don't project a reason for anger when you have no idea. You have no idea.

I don't believe Couberteam is an in-game group. You are allies. In-Game means run directly by the PMs.
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ariock wrote:
I don't believe Couberteam is an in-game group. You are allies. In-Game means run directly by the PMs.


Just for clarification as i started playing after these events and never understood well that part : was "La Sekto" run by PMs ?
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Khaos wrote:
ariock wrote:
I don't believe Couberteam is an in-game group. You are allies. In-Game means run directly by the PMs.


Just for clarification as i started playing after these events and never understood well that part : was "La Sekto" run by PMs ?


Nope. Also started by players as a double-agent group. However, that was done while informing other players about what was going on.
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ariock wrote:

I don't believe Couberteam is an in-game group. You are allies. In-Game means run directly by the PMs.


Then maybe what I understood by IG is different from what you understand. I thought being IG, In Game, meant it was in the story: as in a role playing game. Like when you go to a labyrinth training and don't mention mcdonalds and this being a game and such. What at least I wanted to do with my messages here was to convince people that the couberteam was not just a gamejack: we were doing our best to try cheering up and giving support. You think I lied to you? Ok, I must apologize. But I didn't think It as lying, I was just making my cover. So, sorry.

And, we were not PRETENDING to be IG. We sent messages while IG. When we spoke to Monica and Diego in the group, we spoke IG. We tried not being META, just making plans as a in a game that is not a game. Of course, we later discussed those plans in another group, just to be able to consider some details like how to contact players in a IG way. If you can blame us of something, is of trying to be IG.

About how all this couberteam thing gets into the timeline... With all these posts today I really don't care how it ends. It seems most people are angry at us, whatever may be their reasons, and even think it's been a waste of our time. Well, I don't mind. For the people in the couberteam, this weeks have been a special time. We had an objective, and we may have failed it, but after all, it's been worth the time spent.

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