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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
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keybsnbits
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Danzilla76 wrote:
The thoughts in this thread are starting to echo an idea I was having last night.
What if somebody could take the maps that have been created, and draw a line between each of the points that are paired together. A line from the coord in Col 1 to the coord in Col 2. So then we would have about 110 lines all over the country. It could either point to something on our map, or be taken off the map and made into a separate picture.
Sorry I can't do this sort of thing myself. I'm at work and also don't know a lot about these computer setup processes. I'm better at the thinking, and also other legwork (such as driving for an hour) Laughing


read the diggity dang rootin' tootin' thread Trout

Edit - Play nice. - SG
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 		Thanks SG for the defense.

I do realize now this is trout. Of course, with all the threads, and all the pages in all the threads, it is hard to keep track of everything that has been said and done.

And can I have a link to the thread where it was done so I can see if my idea held any merit?
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Mukaikubo
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 		I was the one who did it. It's in the ubermonster thread buried somewhere. Don't waste your time looking for it, it's pretty much indisputably nonsense hash. Although someone thought it looked like an Arwing.

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 		I remember that one. An Arwing, heh-heh.

Was that from col 1, row 1 to col 2, row 1 to col 1, row 2...and so on?

My idea was only plotting the rows together so we had 110 lines all over the map. If it was done, let me know. I don't mind the trout, just don't let it be rotten. Mr. Green
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Danzilla76 wrote:
I remember that one. An Arwing, heh-heh.

Was that from col 1, row 1 to col 2, row 1 to col 1, row 2...and so on?

My idea was only plotting the rows together so we had 110 lines all over the map. If it was done, let me know. I don't mind the trout, just don't let it be rotten. Mr. Green


Sorry about being mean. Somebody mapped them all out in the huge as (just the way you suggested), and somebody else thought it looked like a UFO. That's about it.
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 		Poor SC
I definitely think that the idea of a starting point and then making some sort of calculated move across the map to another spot is a good theory. Wifi, bus stops, geocaches, distributing points seem less likely than this, mainly because my poor state (SC) was completely neglected in the coordinates. </end SC beekeepers collective groan> But yeah, good thinkin...hopefully we'll get this figured out soon.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
Hey first post here, although I've been following this for a while (was Beast player back in the day..). Anyway, I thought this was really interesting:

cbranch101 wrote:
Anomaly number
40.017688, -105.275629
40.020125, -105.252832

I can't speak for the number of times this phenomena occurs, but if it happens even once it should be significant.

These two points are about.. 40 yards apart.



There are a number of these coordinate pairs that are pretty much in exactly the same location (e.g., across the street, etc.). Here is my SPEC: these locations corresponds to "dots".

To understand what I mean, consider some of the recent Melissa text, which I will paste in here

Quote:
Bars and triangle, dots and squares. A little like Braille, a little like cuneiform. Felt the old familiar hunger: new language like a new cuisine - delicacies of thought and nuance for me to dig into.



Anyway, I think the coordinates correspond to bars, triangles, dots, and squares. The task, then is to identify which pairs make up which kind of shape..

So the coordinate pairs that are exactly on top of each other, like the above, are the 'dots'. This is self-explanatory, I hope.

There are some coordinate pairs that are connected to each other, but isolated from other points.. these are the "bars". For example:

32.8163 -83.7079 [Macon, GA]
33.7943 -84.3874 [Atlanta, GA]

and this one:

36.4083 -105.5729 [Taos, NM]
31.7706 -106.5042 [El Paso, TX]


And then, the 'squares' and 'triangles' would explain why there are so many coordinates that seem to join up (e.g., Sedalia, MO is probably the vertex for multiple squares and/or triangles). Now, one major weakness of my SPEC is that in order to identify a triangle, you have to violate the row order of the coordinates. For example:

row 32:
38.6186 -90.1862 SAINT LOUIS MO
47.3722 -122.1914KENT WA

row 34:
38.7038 -93.2193 SEDALIA MO
47.3727 -122.1914 KENT WA

row 65
38.7118 -93.2283 SEDALIA MO
38.5624 -90.3717 SAINT LOUIS MO


Perhaps someone else can identify a way to make triangles out of adjacent coordinate pairs. Anyway, I wanted to throw this out there. Because if this is correct, *then* the puzzle is to decode the bars, triangles, dots, and squares. Smile

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
danteGA wrote:
Anyway, I think the coordinates correspond to bars, triangles, dots, and squares. The task, then is to identify which pairs make up which kind of shape..

Brilliant idea, though from the numerous maps I've seen, none of these patterns really seem to be emergent/apparent. If there were some easily identifiable criterion by which to group... maybe elevations?

Also,
Mukaikubo wrote:
It's in the ubermonster thread buried somewhere.
There is an easy way to dig up attachments - without having to go to the thread (I know it might be obvious to a number of people - but others may not have realized it). Go to the forum index, then click Files under the forum description.
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 		Quick note on the elevations. If take the elevation of Row 1 Col. 1 minus row 1 col. 2 = difference (sum the total differences) 4484.987227
add the numbers accross 49 or 7*7

don't really see any relevance other than the link to 7.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
danteGA wrote:
Anyway, I think the coordinates correspond to bars, triangles, dots, and squares. The task, then is to identify which pairs make up which kind of shape..


It's an interesting if difficult (how exactly do you define these shapes? fairly loosely, so why all the precision?)... but leads to this question:

Why?!

As in, what would doing this actually lead one to? If anything?
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 		Is it possible... that the coordinates *do* look at something, something specific, but... the coordinates are off a little?

Like off by... +/- 343? Wouldn't that be enough to put those odd coordinates back on dry land?

Just a thought.

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
sherpa wrote:
danteGA wrote:
Anyway, I think the coordinates correspond to bars, triangles, dots, and squares. The task, then is to identify which pairs make up which kind of shape..


It's an interesting if difficult (how exactly do you define these shapes? fairly loosely, so why all the precision?)... but leads to this question:

Why?!

As in, what would doing this actually lead one to? If anything?



Um, it's a code, "like Braille." To quote again:

Quote:
Bars and triangle, dots and squares. A little like Braille, a little like cuneiform. Felt the old familiar hunger: new language like a new cuisine - delicacies of thought and nuance for me to dig into.



I'm not saying I'm 100% convinced this is the right path, because I agree that it's not clear how one defines a square or triangle. Even so, I can imagine that we would then have to decode the 'message' behind the bars and dots, etc.

dante

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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
danteGA wrote:
I'm not saying I'm 100% convinced this is the right path, because I agree that it's not clear how one defines a square or triangle. Even so, I can imagine that we would then have to decode the 'message' behind the bars and dots, etc.


"like Braille or cuneiform" just doesn't seem to be enough to go on though. Besides, there's the coincidence that any three points could be a triangle, any two a line... and why are they all so precise and contained? (Etc.)

Sure, go ahead and pursue this line of thought, but I'm not sold. (And I'm again playing devil's advocate on somebody's idea rather than following my own, so perhaps I'm just as bad as the rest of you all... Smile)
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 		Re: [PUZZLE] GPS Coordinate Anomalies
cbranch101 wrote:
Anomaly number
40.017688, -105.275629
40.020125, -105.252832

I can't speak for the number of times this phenomena occurs, but if it happens even once it should be significant.

These two points are about.. 40 yards apart.
That right there almost disproves the backbones and wifi theories. two hubs so close to each other? doubtful.. and two wifi hotspots that close to each other.. It would be utterly pointless. It also sheds some doubt on the overlaying image theory. Two points that close to each other appear as one on a larger map. If we could figure out what possible reason there would be to have two points 40 yards apart.. I think it could reveal alot about the nature of this puzzle.


I live about five minutes away from two coordinates that are virtually on top of each other:
28.3365 -81.5924 (paired with an address in Seattle, WA)
28.3362 -81.5919 (paired with an address in Panama City Beach, FL)

It's part of the tourist stretch on the southwest side of Walt Disney World. Kissimmee is just south of Orlando, and has four coordinates. Orlando itself has none. All four coordinates are on a stretch of the same major highway in town (not backwoods, private, or inaccessable). Someone visiting the area could easily access all points. There are no services at these locations (ISP, power, cable, etc.), and each location is geared at least partially towards the tourism trade. Florida is generally flat, so I would expect elevation differences to be negligible.

There are also no points in Miami (though Hollywood is close), Tampa (though there are three in its suburbs), Jacksonville, or Tallahassee. In fact, the Eastern Seaboard from Virginia to Florida is completely empty. Many of the Virginia points are paired together.

Dunno. I need to take a closer look at the double site with a GPS and see specifically where they both are before attempting to rule anything else out.

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 		I like where this theory is going but my main problem with this is, what do the squares ang triangles look like? I mean u can make triangle by connecting any three points so i suggest we establish some parameters of wa these other shapes should look like as precisely as possible if we're going to find out if this works

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